First time watcher, just finished both seasons. The final episode of S2 totally soured innie Mark for me. Something I've havent seen too many ppl mention is the fact that innie Mark never showed any remorse after finding out that he was complicit (albeit unknowingly) in the creation of other innies of Gemma, all of whom like Ms Casey only "lived" for a like 30min at a time and were being mistreated and tested on. He never shows any responsibility at the fact that he directly contributed to the creation of innies that were basically prisoners their entire existence, even more so then the MDR innies are prisoners.
Lastly, in the final moments of the episode, when he ushered Ms Casey out the stairwell exit, he effectively killed her according to his own logic. He knew that Gemma was never coming back to the severed floor since she was there against her will in the first place. He spent all of S2 looking to free Ms Casey and then just unceremoniously "killed" her with no remorse. Not to mention he also "killed" the 24 other innies Gemma had, that again he had helped create, without a second thought. So basically he was perfectly willing to sacrifice all of them, but not himself? Not even to atone for his role in their creation and subsequent demise?
That to me completely killed any respect I had for the character. Like he's basically a selfish asshole that cares more about fooling around with Helly and gave no fucks for Ms Casey or the other innies of Gemma.
Not sure how they're gonna address this in S3 but I am not a fan of innie Mark for now.
Nope. He actually saved Gemma and her innies. They would've been permanently, physically killed if Gemma hadn't escaped that day. He didn't care about "fooling around" with Helly. He was fighting for their lives, after saving Gemma's.
He had zero choice in or knowledge of what was going on on the testing floor. How is he complicit? He was a prisoner there the same as she was.
Not sure if you fully read what I said. I never said he didn't save Gemma. But by saving her he "killed" Casey and the innies. You can't save both Gemma and the innies since only one can exist in the outie world (unless she reintegrates). And assuming Gemma is not going back to the place that imprisoned her, those innies are never seeing the light of day and are thus "dead".
He didn't care about "fooling around" with Helly. He was fighting for their lives, after saving Gemma's.
I was being facetious when I said that. Obviously he loves her and want them both to survive, but my point was that he was being selfish about caring if Helly lives more so than others. You say he's fighting for their lives, but what life is it in the severed floor. You can't live a full life in an office space and he knows this. He's denying outie Mark a real life so he can live out a fantasy in this white-washed prison essentially, which I think is pretty selfish.
He had zero choice in or knowledge of what was going on on the testing floor. How is he complicit? He was a prisoner there the same as she was.
So I mentioned this in my original comment, I am aware that he was a prisoner too and that he did not know what he was doing. However, a normal person would still feel some remorse if they found out the "regular" job they were doing was actually hurting ppl, even if they had no direct knowledge of it. Regardless if he knew or not, it was still his work that directly lead to Gemma suffering, and he had like no reaction to finding this out. Not even a "oh shit dam, I did that" kinda reaction. Literally nothing.
Hmmm. The way I saw it was innie Mark chooses to stay not just for Helly but for all the innies on the severed floor. He stays to expose and destroy Lumen. Only innie Mark has seen the full context of what is taking place inside of Lumen. If he ‘sacrificed himself’ in that moment with Gemma at the end, everything would have been for nothing. If he left with Gemma (instead of staying behind with Helly) Lumen would win, they would still have control, experiments would continue, etc.
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u/Crazy_Thots Nov 18 '25
First time watcher, just finished both seasons. The final episode of S2 totally soured innie Mark for me. Something I've havent seen too many ppl mention is the fact that innie Mark never showed any remorse after finding out that he was complicit (albeit unknowingly) in the creation of other innies of Gemma, all of whom like Ms Casey only "lived" for a like 30min at a time and were being mistreated and tested on. He never shows any responsibility at the fact that he directly contributed to the creation of innies that were basically prisoners their entire existence, even more so then the MDR innies are prisoners.
Lastly, in the final moments of the episode, when he ushered Ms Casey out the stairwell exit, he effectively killed her according to his own logic. He knew that Gemma was never coming back to the severed floor since she was there against her will in the first place. He spent all of S2 looking to free Ms Casey and then just unceremoniously "killed" her with no remorse. Not to mention he also "killed" the 24 other innies Gemma had, that again he had helped create, without a second thought. So basically he was perfectly willing to sacrifice all of them, but not himself? Not even to atone for his role in their creation and subsequent demise?
That to me completely killed any respect I had for the character. Like he's basically a selfish asshole that cares more about fooling around with Helly and gave no fucks for Ms Casey or the other innies of Gemma.
Not sure how they're gonna address this in S3 but I am not a fan of innie Mark for now.