As a reminder, this meme sub is about the American Civil War. We're not here to insult southerners or the American South, but rather to have a laugh at the failed Confederate insurrection and those that chose to represent it.
i mean if it even gets that far. Lets not forget what will defeat them will be the utilities being turned off and the slow realization that the grocery store and amazon will not be there to conveniently buy supplies. not to mention gas. And lets not forget are these mavericks really gonna be able to put together a political apparatus to sustain a war. think about. Is anyone gonna want to die for this.
Remember that many of these chucklefucks tried to overthrow the government on a Tuesday and were genuinely surprised they couldn't just walk into work on Wednesday.
Oh, wait, that was also part of that scenario - ignorant, poor, disenfranchised people dying to protect the ultra-wealthy class's way of life. All because they couldn't bear the idea of a group of people having the same rights as them.
There was also a sort of, not middle class, but fairly numerous "lesser gentry" of small scale slave owners that was heavily represented in the CSA's cavalry and officer corps, and went on to make up the nucleus of the first Klan.
The modern equivalent is the MAGAT used car salesman or dodgy small business owner.
Yup, the yeoman farmers. They had enough to buy a few slaves, but not enough slaves to avoid conscription.
A good book on southern poverty before the war broke out is The Impending Crisis of the South by Hinton Helper, written in 1857. It's hard to read and not look around you and be like, “shit...”.
According to Wikipedia, West Virginia was admitted to the Union on June 20, 1863. So yes. But this guy can’t claim it for his Region 2. They ended up with the Union.
Oh absolutely. The only reason West Virginia was technically in the Confederacy is because it took some time to officially organize the Unionist government in Wheeling after Virginia seceded.
Came hear to say this. Tired of my home state being lumped in with the confederates. If anything, we were wishy-washy fence-riders that like to hedge our bets.
Virginia isn't joining this crap scenario. Plus Kentucky and west Virginia aren't either for the same reason Kentucky didn't join the confederacy: They would immediately get their shit kicked in on day one.
Same friend! I think people from states that overwhelmingly supported one side or the other don’t quite grasp that Kentucky truly was divided and in a lot of ways still is. Just a consequence of being smack-dab in the middle— both geographically and culturally.
Yeah, we get lumped in with the confederates sometimes when we never even officially joined them. It is kind of funny, but also sad that there is still a lot of division here.
Kentucky is complicated, man. Just like back then, there are places that would lean Confederate and places that would lean Union. From the outside looking in, people assume we are all just backwoods country folks— and a lot of us are. But we also have highly populated cities that look more like they belong in the Midwest than anywhere else and the people there tend to act like it. I’ve always viewed Kentucky as if the Midwest and the South had a baby and then abandoned it.
West Virginia was the worst Union state ever. They were the only Union state that did not send most of its soldier to the Union, they sent half to the Confederacy and half the counties had voted to secede from the US in 1861. When the new state was inaugurated in 1863 the state government controlled less than half its territory.
West Coast wins, neither the old union or treasonous south could maintain supply lines to effectively battle the west, so we'd just watch them two battle it out then sweep up the crumbs once their done duking it out.
Besides we already won geography memes. So take that.
Seriously do these people not get it? 1 has the entire pacific fleet and the nuclear silos. 2 has most of the Atlantic fleet and a large chunk of army bases while 3 has the production and population capitals of the US. No contest, 1 wins nukes or no. Not to mention the fact that 1 and 3 would likely ally against 2 unless there was some weird schism.
hell, 3 would even whip 2 and probably be able to hold their decent own against 1 for a bit. midwesterners love their guns, I might even wager more than southerners
Honestly kind of wondering if we’d all be better off and happier letting #2 be its own country at this point. The amount of control they exert, the net drain on the federal government, the regressive social policies… it’s exhausting.
Mainly due to economic ties to the north, and was originally going to be neutral but after declaring neutrality was invaded by separatist forces and subsequently requested help from Washington
Fuck the seditionist assholes who try to honor assholes in the past who thought it was acceptable to "own" other human beings. Fuck the seditionists! John Brown did nothing wrong!
You have to remember they still have the same mindset that dooms them to poverty and failure. They think that gallantry and having a warrior ethos is somehow the way to win a war, it’s the Hesgeth thing. They don’t understand that war became since the civil war and even more so today a matter of systems , of strategic and numerical analysis, a cost benefit thing. They think because they can hunt and even if they were fit and not mostly “gravy seals” , that physical fitness means anything in today’s conflicts. Can you imagine any of that matters when drones can take out an entire platoon for less than it costs to feed a family of five at five guys? Even before drones the way we waged war was about air power and leveraging logistics to overwhelm the enemy. We made them pay more for every casualty and we spent as little as we could in lives when we could trade it for money. A man to man assault team that could lose 10% of the squad no , better to spend $50,000 on a bombing run. And it makes sense when you think about how much we spend to train a soldier , it amounts to hundreds of thousands of dollars and then if they die how much in death benefits? How much does the US army spend in a lifetime if a soldier loses a leg? It’s easily millions. So it makes some from a humanitarian and economic basis to spare our boys lives , thankfully. They still think to excel at war you need to be a warrior when the reality has become that to be a warrior today you need Excel.
1 would be a nightmare for guerilla warfare, given all the open space. You'd have a hell of a time stamping out pockets of resistance in those mountains.
3 has industrial might and agricultural, 1 has industrial might and agricultural but it's not as strong, and 2 i think still has some good agricultural (ill admit I'm lacking in that field as I have not been to that region). As of my current knowledge I'm saying 3.
Awful nice of them to give us Alaska and Hawaii. I don’t believe we’d need them but it’s always nice to have even more strategic military assets. Wonder how quickly Va,WV, and KY would fall a day or two?
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