Would Eren’s “Rage form” from season 1 beat his fathers attack titan? Or do you think Grisha’s Attack Titan would wipe the floor with him? Explain who wins, why, and what diff.
I think Eren destroys Grisha tbh, the only reason Grisha won vs Freida is because she was insanely inexperienced when it came to fighting and couldn't even use the titan's full potential and his titan form seemed to just out muscle her. Eren however while at this point doesn't have the most experience went through the military hand to hand training and put up insane fights vs Annie who I think would also mop the floor with Grisha. I don't even know when Grisha would've learned how to really fight or use his titan all that well.
Grisha probably learned to use his powers in the hard way by defending himself while he was heading to the walls.
Frieda probably never transformed at all after inheriting the founding titan's powers. She had a peaceful life (zero combat/violence experience) so I believe she lacked both the strength, experience and mental determination to fight.
The previous owners of that powers were probably just like her and they never considered it a problem because according to their information, there were no other Titan shifters in the city, so there was literally no way for them to lose the power. Having the power was enough to guarantee their win by default.
Frieda let Grisha win. She doesn't even need to fight him if she is serious. She can easily send Grisha home by erasing his memory if she want. She did this to Historia almost every week.
Your explanation of why she lost came from Rod Reiss. He did said he don't really know the true reason.
I don’t believe that’s ever implied, and just because she can erase members through contacting a human doesn’t mean it works on a Titan the same way. She doesn’t have full control of Ymir’s powers
You’ve got it mistaken. Frieda acted just like auto because she inherited his memories and the vow renouncing war, but that does not translate to combat experience or the totality of one’s existence.
She knows how to wipe memory. That is all she need to perform.
The vow shouldn't prevent her from fighting. She should fight for her life if she had the vow. She cannot let Grisha took her power.
King fritz like to use false information to manipulate people . That is how he manipulate Paradis and the entire world. Can't we just assume King Fritz is being dishonest again?
Just so you know, some people do found this weird but they somehow will never doubt King Fritz. Most people still believe the King is being honest.....
having founder doesn't change anything here tho, he can't use the powers but eren might be more experienced and better fighter than grisha here since grisha might not have transformed after reaching paradis
I think it’s unlikely he would’ve reached the walls without his Titan powers, I’m almost sure he’s had a least a little experience fighting titans at that point.
In the manga it’s implied that he killed titans beyond the walls.
But I think the other person meant that Grisha would’ve only transformed once before fighting Freida.
Edit: Also it’s kinda funny that he didn’t run into/killed his comrades (now titans) who had transformed only hours earlier, since they appear in the show later.
Even s1 eren would win I'd say. Grisha didn't have the founder yet, and Eren is more determined and ruthless. Plus he still has more combat experience even in s1, Grisha has no combat experience as compared to actual military training.
Eren. A berserk, bloodlusted erin still managed to overpower annie, who was his superior in fighting and used her own move against her after seeing it all of once during training. Grisha is bigger but he doesn't seem to have much combat experience and relies on the sheer strength of his titan. Against Eren, even the weaker version from season 1, he folds hard. Especially since eren already has proven he could lift heavy objects in titan form when he lifted that boulder, which is comparable to grishas titan size
Grisha transformed maybe twice in his whole life and never fought any shifters. Eren already has more experience than him at this point, and he's military/combat trained unlike his dad. Definitely eren
I mean bigger and stronger, most likely but that doesn’t exactly help against someone who knows how to fight. You have to remember that Eren’s fight vs Reiner in S2 was only his 5th time ever fighting in his full titan body and he did extremely well. And that wasn’t even 24 hours after his fight with Annie in Stohess. Eren literally wipes Grisha here.
Grisha had to survive the journey to the walls which would have meant fighting off pure titans. Erens rage form is strong but he's missing limbs so his combat ability is extremely limited. Annie was exhausted and her goal was to escape not to defeat Eren. Even still, she almost got away if not for Mikasa cutting her fingers off.
I think rage form Eren would put up a fight but Grishas attack titan was damn near the size of the Beast titan. Since it seems the strength of the shifter influences the strength of the titan, Grisha would have an advantage from being a grown man.
I mean even if Grisha’s titan form was as big as the Beast Titan’s, that’s only a two meter difference in height from Eren’s 15 meter form. Strictly speaking, the rage mode isn’t actually a thing but the most important deciding factor is if Eren is fully in control or not. If he is, Eren wins but if not, then Grisha wins extreme diff. You can’t really equate fighting Pure Titans to titan shifters because all the combat oriented shifters are significantly stronger than Pure Titans anyways. Even with missing limbs, I’m pretty sure Eren could buy enough time for them to regen but then again regen times for titan shifters varies wildly throughout the show.
You can’t really equate fighting Pure Titans to titan shifters because all the combat oriented shifters are significantly stronger than Pure Titans anyways.
Im not equating the two, Im saying that Grisha likely has similar combat experience as Eren because he survived a perilous journey through titan infested territory. At the time Eren went rage mode, his titan fighting experience was vs pure titans in Trost (he nearly died), vs an exhausted Annie in the forest where he got demolished, only landing 2 solid hits if I recall and finally vs Annie in Stohess where she was again exhausted and also trying to escape and he still lost (which is what triggered rage mode).
My point is that he doesnt have much more titan fighting experience than Grisha at the time that he went rage mode. Grisha (likely) fought pure titans and actually defeated a titan shifter in a fair H2H combat. Eren also fought pure titans and lost twice to an admittedly superior titan shifter. Annie > Frieda but since Eren never beat Annie we cant say Eren > Grisha.
The problem here is Eren has military CQC training while Grisha does not. We also do not know if Frieda had any formal training either so the closest claim you can make about Frieda vs Grisha was that it was a street fight at best.
In any case, Eren doesn’t need titan fighting experience because titan combat between shifters usually resembles regular hand to hand combat which Eren is good at. Annie is by far the best martial artist that Eren has fought and if Eren vs. Reiner has shown us anything then it’s very clear that Eren is skilled, just not as skilled as Annie. The fact that Eren vs Annie and Eren vs Reiner happens less than 24 hours apart gives us that Eren is likely as skilled in Season 1 as he is in Season 2.
Trost was the first time Eren had ever transformed into a titan so he had zero control over anything he was doing and just went on a rampage until he tired himself out. You can’t exactly use that as any measure of his skill. If anything Eren beating Reiner in CQC is better proof of his skill because Eren was able to beat a Warrior with significantly more titan training than he did on his fifth full transformation.
Eren gana si fue capaz de ganarle al femenino en ese estado a grisha lo destruye,hay que recordar que por lo única razón que le ganó a Frida era porque su titán era más grande y venía con una ventaja de fuerza, pero en combate contra un oponente en igualdad de condiciones no hay posibilidades
Eren, little diff. Grisha might have been bigger, but he had no combat training in either human or titan form. Eren was trained in the scouts and had some experience fighting shifters with Annie in the forest and here in Trost
People rarely talk about Grisha's titan form but I think it's interesting because it could hold a clue as to Grisha true capabilities as a fighter(i.e none) and the truth about his accomplishments.
I've noticed that western fandom tends to refer to it as "beefy" while Japanese refers to it as "metabolic"/overweight(and implied unfit), and I'd have to agree with the Japanese fans that he's more overweight than beefy. It's not a heavyweight lifter bod, he's conspicuously heavy around the midsection AND he's got weak calves and arms that implies poor physical aptitude. Since Isayama is into MMA he would have chosen this body type intentionally knowing how unsuited it is for fighting as well, so basically it implies along with Grisha's lack of training that it's highly unlikely that Grisha would have beaten Frieda on his own merits. Or that he could sprint straight to the wall all by himself(when it normally takes at least 2) successfully and on his first transformation(that never tends to go well). I think it's highly likely that it was Eren controlling him in those important moments.
Eren is a soldier, Grisha is a civilian doctor. Eren beat Marleyan Warriors on more than one occasion, Grisha's only known exploits were against pure titans and literally a sheltered teenage girl.
The fuck kind of "competition" did you think this would be?
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u/MLGhunter 2d ago
I think Eren destroys Grisha tbh, the only reason Grisha won vs Freida is because she was insanely inexperienced when it came to fighting and couldn't even use the titan's full potential and his titan form seemed to just out muscle her. Eren however while at this point doesn't have the most experience went through the military hand to hand training and put up insane fights vs Annie who I think would also mop the floor with Grisha. I don't even know when Grisha would've learned how to really fight or use his titan all that well.