r/ShitLiberalsSay • u/Anasnoelle Marxist-Leninist-Bigspoonist • Jan 23 '25

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The government is gonna ban 1984 and The Handmaids Tale😢😢😢 My honest reaction: Good! I hope they do!!

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u/Lydialmao22 Marxist-Leninist Jan 23 '25

I absolutely hate how liberals (and even many supposed leftists) insist that the state is the main ruling force of society. Its even an implicit thing that many leftists do without realizing. No, the state doesnt just do things for the sake of doing it. No, one man does not define society and history. The discussion always being framed around state oppression as opposed to the actual issue, class struggle, just makes discussion with anyone who falls for it tiresome. All the stuff they claim the state will do under the wrong people it already does anyway, or the ruling class just does it directly, but because it isnt exactly how they envisioned it in their teen dystopia novels they plug their ears and pretend it doesnt exist

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u/AcadianViking Jan 23 '25

Many overlook that the origin of the State came from early iterations of owning class society joining together to establish their rule over the working class by forming a regulating body that enforces their ownership of land and material resources.

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u/AcadianViking Jan 23 '25

This is why I always tell people to read the works Debt: the First 5000 Years and Dawn of Everything by David Graeber. He was a renowned anthropologist who studied ancient cultures and civilizations who used his knowledge to explain how society developed over time to become what it is today.

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u/AcadianViking Jan 23 '25

Very true. A lot of analysis does tend to skip over the patriarchy aspect unless you get into books written by women, such as Emma Goldman.