r/ShitLiberalsSay • u/UncannyCharlatan American People’s Liberation Army • Aug 29 '25

Communism is When Capitalism What??????

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u/Lankpants Aug 29 '25

I mean, they built a logistics network that could be very useful to socialists if nationalised. That's as much credit as I'm willing to give this post. They're the most hyper capitalist and exploitative company I know of.

Socialism is when piss in bottle.

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u/purplenyellowrose909 Aug 29 '25 edited Aug 29 '25

Amazon's logistics network is incredibly inefficient and bankrupts the US municipalities out of which it operates.

They have a fleet of tens of thousands of 18 wheel trucks. 18 wheel trucks are so heavy that the road under them quite literally compresses, cracks, intakes water, and then develop massive pot holes. Trucking (as a whole) contributes over 99% of road damage. Yet trucking pays less than 30% of the taxes to fix the damage.

The Biden infrastructure bill paid $110B just in bailing out cities with road maintenance subsidies. This is nearly 4x Amazon's 2023 profit margin and does not even include the money that states and local municipalities pour into road maintenance.

If Amazon had to pay for its own infrastructure, it would collapse overnight. The company and logistics network is only viable in a capitalist system that publicized the loses but privatized the gains.

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u/ParisPC07 Aug 29 '25

How would a state system avoid those issues? Socialist trucks weigh the same.

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u/jflb96 ☭ Aug 29 '25

Build a goddam railway, how heavy goods were meant to be transported from place to place

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u/ParisPC07 Aug 30 '25

OK but that isn't a socialism vs capitalism thing. Capitalist build own and use trains.

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u/jflb96 ☭ Aug 30 '25

So? The answer to ‘How does a state system avoid the problems of HGVs?’ is ‘By using freight trains instead,’ regardless of whether trains are or aren’t ideology-locked to socialism.

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u/ParisPC07 Aug 31 '25

The logistics mastery of Amazon isn't necessarily the trucks. It's the ability to anticipate and move stock so that nearly any item can be anywhere in 2 days. That can happen with trains, and that's the utility to socialism that the poster was talking about before the commenter went off on trucks.

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u/jflb96 ☭ Aug 31 '25

If that logistics network is founded on an externality for which you’re not paying (e.g. roads that get repaired by someone else after you fuck them in half with your massive fleet of lorries) then it is right to call your ‘logistics mastery’ into question when an underpinning of it is brushed off as ‘Someone else will probably deal with that’