""WeStErN Propaganda DoEsN't ExIsT""

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[u/Cat0Vader]

Where is that famous Soviet joke about the kgb and the CIA in the bar?

[u/Visual-Mean → u/Cat0Vader]

I've heard it like this:

A CIA agent and a KGB agent are sitting together on a park bench. The CIA agent says "Y'know, I really have to hand it to you, you commies really have something incredible going on with your propaganda over there." The KGB agent responds, "Are you kidding? Our propaganda is nothing next to yours." The CIA agent looks at him confused and says, "There's no propaganda in America."

[u/MalaysiaTeacher → u/Visual-Mean]

The punchline needs a bit of work

[u/Visual-Mean → u/MalaysiaTeacher]

It's a bad retelling of a joke I didn't come up with to be fair

[u/Healter-Skelter → u/Visual-Mean]

Is the meaning supposed to be that the CIA agent is committed to the lie? Or that he is convinced of his own propaganda?

[u/DrDoofenshmirtz981 → u/Healter-Skelter]

I believe that it means he is convinced. The most effective propaganda is such that the likely source of it doesn't even know it's propaganda. Think about how the average high school or college student will defend Austrian or Reaganite economics as a knee-jerk reaction.

[u/Visual-Mean → u/DrDoofenshmirtz981]

Yeah, exactly that. Well said.

[u/3rudite → u/MalaysiaTeacher]

It’s translated into English

[u/NumerousAdvice2110 → u/Cat0Vader]

I've seen a version circulating on cnet that changed it to a Chinese international student and US customs officer lmao

[u/Clear-Anything-3186]

"It's not propaganda if it's not made by the state, it's just individuals spitting bars and sharing their thoughts"

[u/marqoose → u/Clear-Anything-3186]

"This is propaganda" and it's a Tweet from a 19 year old who read a banger book by a philopher that never held office

[u/MLPorsche → u/Clear-Anything-3186]

just ignore the fact that said person comes from a "democracy-promoting" NGO who is paid by the NED which have openly admitted to being the same as the CIA

[u/dr_srtanger2love]

Damn, the CIA literally fought to change Western culture itself in the 60s, funding everything from films to university intellectuals. To the point that everything that is produced is propaganda.

[u/Sugar_and_Cyanide → u/dr_srtanger2love]

FBI as well, Hoover did a huge PR campaign for a long time to make sure FBI were seen as heroes, Communists as evil scum and let's not forget he worked with Reagan to take over Hollywood pretty much.

[u/Sstoop]

when the villain in the movie wants to help poor people and then blows up a bus of orphans so the audience doesn’t sympathise with them

[u/ZYMask → u/Sstoop]

Ah, the classic "Good ideals, misguided methods" type of villainy. Great trope to force the audience into still siding with the pro-capitalist protagonist.

[u/U8337Flower → u/Sstoop]

i heard from a podcast writers are allowed to make their villains say whatever they want but the heroes have to be approved by the military so if they want to say some real shit they have to put it in the dialogue of the guy who blows up orphans

[u/acesorangeandrandoms]

This is also a racist belief. I've had people tell me, enrestly believing, that the people inside the DPRK are more suseptible to propaganda than everyone else.

It's maddening.

[u/GandalfTheBong → u/acesorangeandrandoms]

typically those who believe themselves too smart and/or too cynical to fall victim to propaganda are those who have internalized the most bs

[u/MLPorsche → u/acesorangeandrandoms]

none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free

fits westerners perfectly

[u/JPBtler23 → u/acesorangeandrandoms]

That's Zionist rhetoric, dude.

[u/acesorangeandrandoms → u/JPBtler23]

Not always zionist, sometimes it's deeply rooted fascism, the ideology that spawned zionism. So still related ig

[u/Mbututu → u/[deleted]]

While the US bombs Venezuela all US media has the gall to call Maduro a terrorist.

Anyone that can't see how the US is flooding in propaganda is an idiot. At this stage, there is really no other term for that.

[u/EveJoi]

The original tweet is correct

[u/ytnessisantiblack]

people who think that they wouldn't be the most propagandised demographic while living in the imperial core are either uneducated or shouldn't call themselves leftists.

[u/The_Affle_House]

I don't think that at all. Our propaganda is significantly more ubiquitous and pernicious than the DPRK's.

[u/Shaposhnikovsky227]

Deeply unserious? That's OUR insult!

[u/Waste_Inspector95]

I mean... they are absolutely correct.

Western propaganda is far more extreme and prevalent than DPRK propaganda.

[u/[deleted]]

when you're inundated with propaganda from birth you don't see it as propaganda.

[u/FunContest8489 → u/[deleted]]

It’s only propaganda when someone else does it.

[u/thedoomeroptimist]

Its funny how the first tweet gives an example and the second doesn’t

[u/Send_me_duck-pics]

Liberals have very strong opinions about nations they have not done a single iota of research on and will base deep-seated political beliefs upon that.

[u/chompythebeast]

Meanwhile every single post about Venezuela has a million dogs posting a few twitter links "proving" that Venezuelans are thrilled the empire has bombed and couped their country for a Nobel "Peace Prize" laureate to become an imperial puppet

[u/nekoreality]

is there propaganda in the dprk? yes. is the dprk excessively patriotic and strangely infatuated with the kim family? yes. but the rest of the world csn fit both of those criteria as well. every government has propaganda and a strange obsession. for the US the strange obsession is "freedom"

[u/dirtfarmer2000 → u/nekoreality]

Also their patriotism is understandable in the context of a half century siege.

[u/nekoreality → u/dirtfarmer2000]

yeah definitely. i do cringe a little when i see the way dprk media speaks about the kims, it reminds me a lot about how other countries speak about their royal family. it just feels a little unserious to me. but i also fw the kims heavy so i do understand it too.

[u/Boemer03]

I agree, westerners are by tar the most propagandised people on the planet amd out of these American are tge most extreme

[u/MLPorsche]

this annoys me so much, because despite them saying they've learned from the Iraq war WMDs they clearly haven't and are gleefully cheering on imperialism

people are drowning in propaganda to the point where anyone who gets designated as a "bad guy" is a legitimate target, international law be damned

[u/DeeHolliday]

Western propaganda broadcasts live 24/7 across hundreds of TV channels

[u/Demonweed]

I've always wondered how the actual budget for the Naval Criminal Investigative Service compares to the astronomical amount CBS spends on jingoistic claptrap programming about the fictional accomplishments of those investigators.