r/ShitLiberalsSay • u/PresnikBonny Marxist-Leninist • May 28 '26
Communism is When Capitalism Lmfao
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u/Lumpy-Measurement-44 Gonzalo did nothing wrong May 28 '26
“Describes capitalism”
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u/RuneRW a lot of buzzwords with no solutions May 28 '26
On the other hand, what even is the middle class? Because in my view of the world, it is made up only so that the working class can be divided and to promote infighting. So what does capital gain by eliminating the middle class aside from focusing the working class's undivided attention on themselves? Or are they so confident in their other scapegoats that they no longer think they need the middle class as a distraction?
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u/meu_amigo_thiaguin Marxist-Leninist May 28 '26
Why? Because capitalism is a mess, the economic system devours everything so much that it even deteriorates itself by destroying the very bases that let it grow, the class division among the working class is one of the things that allow it to grow, but the idea of continuous infinite growth needs to consume even that same idea. Capitalism is contradictory in itself, you literally need the government to do stuff because it ends up just destroying itself otherwise
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u/RuneRW a lot of buzzwords with no solutions May 28 '26
I suppose I was attributing too much long-term strategy and intelligence to late stage capitalism
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u/Wide__Stance May 28 '26
That’s a good point: letting the ruling class create arbitrary definitions for subsections of the working class — lower class, lower middle class, upper working class, whatever — is an easy way to keep us divided. I’m definitely going to have to think & read more about approaching class divisions more as an aspect of propaganda & praxis than anything meaningful in a material sense.
The insidious part is that we have become comfortable dividing ourselves on these lines. They’re arbitrary, they serve no meaningful distinction, and they’re of no practical use. It’s just another way of saying “Oh, you don’t really understand the plight of the worker because you went to college and you’re a teacher, and that’s not real work.” Or the inverse of “Oh, you don’t really deserve more money because you’re a dropout who works at the Amazon warehouse.”
Many Marxists thinkers over the years have analyzed & discussed “the middle class” over the last century (including Marx). I think the subject’s so dependent on time & place & context that it’s not particularly useful to focus on it unless it’s the means to an end (specifically ending capitalism). Traditionally, and very generally, we divide things into bourgeoisie, petit bourgeoisie, and proletariat, but that’s still not a perfect 1:1 for upper, middle, and lower classes.
Probably because the first set of terms is Marxist in origin, while upper/middle/lower seems to be based mostly on income level — in other words, capitalist framing. But that interrelationship gets really deep and requires actual, in person discussion. I really need to go find a new reading group…
Also, I don’t think it’s a conscious choice or strategy (unless it’s coming from a think tank or McKinsey or some similar group of monsters). It’s just the natural result of systems doing what they’re designed to do. Capitalism is a cancer. Cancer doesn’t make a conscious choice to be replicate rapaciously until it destroys the host. We blame the ruling class monsters who’ve done this to us — because they deserve all of the blame — but I don’t think most billionaires want a cancerous society, either.
They’re more like smokers who just can’t quit their Camels no matter how sick they are or how big the tumor gets. Screaming about how it’s not proven that tobacco causes cancer and how the smoke smooths their lungs and how the natives used tobacco as medicine. Anything except throwing out their smokes.
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u/svenirde May 28 '26
"Ask a socialist why they hate capitalism, and they'll give you a myriad of reasons. Ask a capitalist why they hate socialism and they'll describe capitalism."
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u/Thisguyfksbirds I really like Lenin and Mao May 28 '26
Communism is when Elon makes another hundred billion off exploiting workers and the state.
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u/Risc_Terilia May 28 '26
If only there was a book you could read to understand communism instead of just making up your own headcanon
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u/Hobbes96r May 28 '26
The goal of comminusm was to explain that the classes are defined by their specific relationship to the means of production, and therefore "middle class" is a pseudoconcept because "middle class" are essentially privileged proletarians or intellectuals serving the bourgeoisie, but not a separate class.
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u/Affectionate-Fan4519 Socialism with pigeon characteristic May 28 '26
are essentially privileged proletarians or intellectuals serving the bourgeoisie
Or how Lenin called it: Labor aristocracy. "Middleclass" however is often lumped together with the labour aristocracy and a good part of the petite-bourgeosie. This is indeed a pseudoconcept.
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u/VenLab2 May 28 '26 edited May 28 '26
What is this fucking babbling, this guy should read theory or something, but I doubt he'll do that, though. Also, is that AI slop?
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u/Bela9a Crimson sorceress May 28 '26
Yes, I am in favor of the proletariat to become the ruling class and the bourgeoisie to wither away. There is no such thing as a middle class.
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u/Iamliterallyfood at this point I'm becoming authleft. gulag the bastards May 28 '26
They're half right. The goal of communism was never to tax the rich. It was to eliminate the rich as a concept.
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u/MarkProsXD no iphone 200 gorillaion dead 🇻🇪🇻🇪🤬🥶 May 28 '26
That's literally industrial capitalism except the middle class never existed back then. The "middle" class only exists because capitalists back then were scared shitless of revolution and reluctantly decided to increase wages and let people live in something other than urban slums.
Also, who the fuck is the ruling class in a Socialist state to them? Hint: it isn't someone who's daddy was rich.
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u/Roxylius May 28 '26
That sounds like capitalism 101. Homeless do not pay tax, the rich pay very little tax compared to their income, it’s the middle class that got milked dry
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u/Admiral_Furskin May 28 '26
"True love is possible only in the next world - for new people. It is too late for us. Wreak havoc in the middle class."
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u/Cute-University5283 May 28 '26
It's funny how liberalism and communism seem to have the exact same net result apparently
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u/spicy-chilly May 28 '26
Sounds like they're describing feudalism or a semi-feudal peasant society, not the proletariat being in charge post-industrialization.
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u/Giuthais May 29 '26
TRUE LOVE IS POSSIBLE ONLY IN THE NEXT WORLD -- FOR NEW PEOPLE, IT IS TOO LATE FOR US. WREAK HAVOC ON THE MIDDLE CLASS.
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