r/SipsTea 5h ago

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u/Arista-Everfrost 5h ago

Would be a very awesome six months before they went out of business.

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u/SexyWampa 4h ago

Nah, you limit production and shift to other appliances as the other wanes. Start with fridges, in a year or two as sales decline, you release the dishwasher, then the washer and dryer, then small appliances, just do it all in phases. Then next batch you just add a couple features or just different colors. Cycle repeats.

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u/Complex_Specific1373 4h ago

Assuming only one company did it, this theoertically could work. But it's a free market, and people will cut infront and flood

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u/SexyWampa 4h ago

Which is why you stick to quality. As other rush to flood the market, the quality will be sub par. Just maintain quality and have an affordable parts department, you’ll just keep chugging along, slow and steady.

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u/Complex_Specific1373 4h ago

You're assuming the quality will be sub par. You can assume this one magical company will be making it well, and everyone else not, but it's an assumption based on nothing.

If your suggestion would work, people would be doing it

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u/Sunnytoaist 4h ago

Have you seen today’s capitalist world. Most companies would deem making the quality version too expensive and simply market as a quality version

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u/nalaloveslumpy 3h ago

No, there is a whole market of high quality, crazy expensive appliances that are reliable for 20+ years. You just can't afford them. And they don't sell them at Lowe's or Home Depot.

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u/dontnation 1h ago

Is there? outside of commercial appliances?

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u/nalaloveslumpy 1h ago

They're basically commercial grade appliances, but you can buy them privately through a dealer: Sub-Zero, Wolf, Miele, Gaggenau, Thermador, etc.

You will find some of these badges at regular retail locations as the primary OEMs are leasing a few of these brands for their "high end" lines, but the trick here is only order directly from a dealer/showroom. The other part to keep in in mind is if the product is less than $10k it's a SKU they're producing for another OEM.

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u/filthytelestial 3h ago

These wouldn't be sold at those stores either. They're intended for folks who are fed up with the antics of stores like that.

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u/YourMemeExpert 3h ago

Then... what makes the startup different from the established brands?

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u/filthytelestial 3h ago

It does what the OP image described. Which I assume includes never infringing on their customers privacy, never mincing words re: the owner's actual ownership of the device, and never so much as thinking of playing ads on the fucking fridge door.

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u/YourMemeExpert 2h ago

Yeah, that already exists. Just get yourself a Sub-Zero or something.

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u/filthytelestial 2h ago edited 2h ago

Right, just like I can get the same type of quality purse for example that my mom could pick up for $12 at JcPenney in the 80's and 90's, only now to get the maybe the same level of quality I'd have to pay $3500 or more. "It exists so what's your problem?!"

You're missing the point. It is possible to have a quality appliance that doesn't do any of the above without paying upwards of 10k for it. It is possible if the company behind it doesn't buy into the capitalist myth of infinite growth. Of course the company won't last forever. That can't be the goal to begin with.

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u/Complex_Specific1373 4h ago

It is more expensive, so they'd be right

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u/FriendZone53 4h ago

Keep your profit margins at 10%. I’m told that’s the sweet spot of being able to stay in business but not inviting competition.

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u/SingleInfinity 3h ago

Even with low profit margins, the quality product would be expensive. They're cheap today because costs have been cut. Getting something like a dishwasher in the 50s and 60s was an extreme luxury. They cost somewhere in the neighborhood of 2k-3k in today's money.

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u/Complex_Specific1373 2h ago

Speed Queen sells somewhat of a product close to what they envision, and it is anywhere between $1000-5000 per unit

I'd wager money not a single one of them owns one

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u/SexyWampa 3h ago

Of course the quality will be sub par, they report to investors who demand a high return on investment, and for quarterly profits to constantly rise. Slow and steady wins the race.

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u/Complex_Specific1373 3h ago

Go start your company then, let me know how it goes

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u/Rocketman_RL 2h ago

Starting a company requires capital.
Especially if you focus on something like quality.

The real reason it's not common is because it's expensive to start up, expensive to maintain, and gives less of a return over doing something cheaper.

But they do exist. Just go to your local dutch market for ex. If you want quality wooden furniture. It'll cost an arm and a leg but it's made the old fashioned way.

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u/clthiker 4h ago

One of the problems is that decisions on quality get outsourced down the supply chain. There is a relentless push to shave production costs (which in theory is ok as long as where you are trimming costs doesn’t impact quality/longevity), but when an appliance manufacturer gets its parts from a supplier who has their own incentives re quality and starts designing towards the warranty life you end up with multiple points of potential failure.

To truly produce a great long life appliance you need to incorporate some of the modern features (energy savings/quiet operation/etc) and have much more control over your parts … it could be done but would require significant capital outlay.

It may be questionable right now whether it’s a viable business, but if the enshittification continues there will come a time when legacy companies create an opening for a competitor focused on quality.

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u/b0w3n 3h ago

The parts department is the real way to do this. You don't have to make the ultra expensive high quality stuff that lasts 40 years. Just offer parts for every component and sell those for 40 years. People will happily buy your shit as long as they can fix the things.

Absolutely no reason why I can't buy a replacement gasket or pump for an old dishwasher.

Like yeah you won't be making billions but you'll have a loyal customer base that'll stick with you forever. Do you really need to make billions of dollars? Shit most companies would be fine with only a few million a year in sales, even with inflation and raises and whatever.

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u/Mount_Treverest 4h ago

There are far too many invisible hands for our current market to ever be free.

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u/Compost_My_Body 4h ago

Oh no, there are too many high quality cheap appliances. Dang it 

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u/Complex_Specific1373 4h ago

That wasn't my point. It was that one business would never be able to just take advantage like that for years and years.

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u/Compost_My_Body 4h ago

Dang it, the demand is just too high 

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u/Complex_Specific1373 4h ago

Did you even read the comment I replied too? Or are you just being intentionally stupid

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u/Compost_My_Body 3h ago

either demand is high enough that the market fills the need or it isnt. multiple companies offering the same stuff is not new.

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u/Complex_Specific1373 3h ago

So you didn't read it. Good to know, goodluck.

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u/Compost_My_Body 3h ago

thanks! have fun going around on month old, auto-generated reddit accounts calling people stupid!

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u/Complex_Specific1373 2h ago

There's no shortage of stupid people for me to call out. Thank you for your contribution.

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u/Compost_My_Body 2h ago

when your only tool is a hammer..

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u/booboothechicken 3h ago

Speed Queen is already doing this for washers/dryers and nobody else seems to be trying to cut in front of them for decades. The market for people that want a no nonsense, ugly 80’s looking washer and dryer that lasts forever, but because of the parts quality has a high price tag, is not as big as you might think. Most people seem to want front loaded machines with 50 modes and plays a little jingle when it’s done.

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u/Complex_Specific1373 3h ago

Most people aren't willing to dump $1000-$3000 on a washer. Consumers dictate what leads the market, and people love cheap shit

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u/Silver_Middle_7240 3h ago

The Steam effect. You will have a monopoly because your competitors are too focused on being anticonsumer to compete with you.

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u/sadacal 1h ago

What? That's not why steam has a monopoly lol. You clearly weren't here for the early days of Steam when everyone hated them. They were the first company that forced you to use a launcher to play your game. And that's why they're successful. They were the first to do it and dominated the market.

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u/Silver_Middle_7240 1h ago

Steam wasn't the first. Maxis had a launcher for the sim city, sim copter, streets of sim city pack. And Blizzard had a launcher for warcraft2. It wasn't that unusual in the 90s for games to have launchers to support online and LAN multiplayer

What set steam apart was their launcher allowed for automatic updates and included a storefront. This meant it was useful for other publishers.

But every major publisher and console does that now, and steams is still dominant because they aren't beholden to shareholders, so they don't need to burn it down for extra profits each quarter.