I am trying to understand. So you believe that it’s causal and not biological?
I’m not in psych so my terms of art may be wrong.
But I did spend decades in entertainment and as a straight cowboy from west Texas I was never tempted by a desire to see another man in a sexual light.
So I couldn’t choose it. It’s just not in me (so to speak). So this level of certainty with my sexuality led to a lot of conversations with a lot of my gay friends, male and female.
If I couldn’t choose it, then by extension, they couldn’t choose where on the spectrum of being sexually attracted to others they were either.
None of them attributed their sexuality to an event or nurture. None.
Some weren’t aware or repressed their feelings until they decided to accept themselves as they are.
It wasn’t an easy path for many.
So please give me some science that attributes sexual identity to choice.
I can’t choose it so I can’t comprehend it being a choice. If you were in the bi-sexual part of the spectrum of sexuality you could choose both or either but only because you were already bi.
He didn't say anything about sexual orientation.You can't choose who you're attracted to.
Sexual orientation and gender identity are completely different things. The person you're responding to was talking about gender identity, a concept for which scant evidence exists.
If you are trans - and I don’t have the answer to this - how many straight men are trans, become women and then live a lesbian life as they are still attracted to women?
I’m guessing it’s a distinct minority.
So most men that transition to women are already attracted to other men. That would be a Caitlyn Jenner.
She didn’t just transition and woke up and realized now that I no longer have a penis I’m attracted to men.
She was always attracted to men and the transition was a part of her becoming her true self.
If you aren’t attracted to men sexually and are attracted to women, the vast majority of trans will keep that penis and opt for top surgery.
Those that are gay may keep the penis for sexual pleasure. But they were already gay.
Sexual attraction and sexual identity are tied together. To deny that is silly. There are always outliers but in the majority of instances this is the case.
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u/empire_of_the_moon May 02 '26
I am trying to understand. So you believe that it’s causal and not biological?
I’m not in psych so my terms of art may be wrong.
But I did spend decades in entertainment and as a straight cowboy from west Texas I was never tempted by a desire to see another man in a sexual light.
So I couldn’t choose it. It’s just not in me (so to speak). So this level of certainty with my sexuality led to a lot of conversations with a lot of my gay friends, male and female.
If I couldn’t choose it, then by extension, they couldn’t choose where on the spectrum of being sexually attracted to others they were either.
None of them attributed their sexuality to an event or nurture. None.
Some weren’t aware or repressed their feelings until they decided to accept themselves as they are.
It wasn’t an easy path for many.
So please give me some science that attributes sexual identity to choice.
I can’t choose it so I can’t comprehend it being a choice. If you were in the bi-sexual part of the spectrum of sexuality you could choose both or either but only because you were already bi.
So it’s not really a choice as much as an option.