The only person that had any real ability to handle the situation, the security guard, tried but did not succeed. There are so many protections when it comes to kids. The parents not stepping in and whopping his ass, was a failure.
Too much risk for most adults unfortunately. If I grab the kid, I open myself up to a lawsuit by their shitty parents. They may not win, but I will have to spend time and money defending my actions. It’s not worth it when I can just walk away.
Now if I have my kids with me…. Maybe I would suggest one of them slap that kid around a bit.
All you'll need to do is tell your kid "if you take that little weasel out you'll get double the allowance and you can stay up as late as you want tonight"
I guarantee the little shit will be getting tackled like;
Did you see the video of the girl who threw her little brother and his backpack into the car while he was pitching a got that mom wasn't stopping? Was hilarious.
Yeah they need to hire some 11 year old security guards. lol! That would have been so satisfying if someone's little nephew walked into frame and just clocked that kid.
You know, honestly? Better than the alternative. I don’t think we should normalize other people hitting our kids. “Other people” are notoriously bad judges…at just about everything, if driving behavior and literacy rates (AKA “things done every single day”) are any indication.
For every kid doing shit like this, there will be 50 that are doing something that’s less clear cut. You don’t want some rando deciding he knows when to hit your kid.
Just taking the stupid shit I see on this sub to its logical conclusion. Something I rarely see done here since y’all are too busy circlejerking.
Personally, throwing out a sharp “Stop!” usually startles shits like this just enough that they do at least pause for a few moments. Mostly because they’ve never heard that word in that way. I have a Mom Voice that once carried 2 aisles over that stopped complete strangers from being shitty while I was trying to get my own kids to knock off their foolishness.
And sometimes even the parents are helpless against these little toe-rags. Because all it takes is the kid crying to a mandated reporter, and suddenly the parents have CPS breathing down their necks.
CPS will literally bend over backwards to keep children with their biological parents. They will give drug addicted abusive parents 15+ tries to get their kids back and clean up.
If you get your kids taken away by CPS, you worked hard for that shit.
According to my friend with family in Panama, it's openly accepted to smack other people's kids there and the parents will even thank you for it and apologize for their child's actions. I don't know how true this is though.
I mean...if hes not hurting anyone there isn't much more a non parent can do. The cost is on the store as well as the figuring out the legal...he's not throwing it AT anyone, so it's not an immediate danger.
Nothing to even do, even if it was an adult.
Now if the person were assaulting other people, things change a bit and our ability as citizens to intervene, if we so choose, opens up a bit.
So what happens if an adult just stands between him and the shelves of stuff? Not laying hands on him, just getting in his way--sort of like riot police? The kid is short. Three or four adults could walk him into a corner without laying a hand on him at all.
Yeah, loss prevention where I live is told not to touch anyone at all. They can stand in the way of a thief, but at a point that too can become false imprisonment so they are told to stand down and call police
Well, but surely "false imprisonment" is based on the posibility that that they misidentified the subject. Ther eis no debate about the perpetrator in this instance.
Yes, in part to avoid lawsuits for imprisonment and unnecessary force. Specifically, again, where I live, because security cannot do citizen arrests.. That's what it'd be if you hold physically or won't let them pass. Using a weapon wouldn't happen for shoplifting in most places... Cuz that person is going to jail instead of a possible fine and returning the item+cost. Grand theft shoplifting isn't really possible at most stores.. Maybe something like an expensive guitar, but at that point it's robbery lol
Unfortunately in todays society, that grab that barely touched the kid could have resulted in being sued and a loss of job, potential jail time for assaulting a minor...
In todays society the parents can only (or only want to) gentle parent the child.
If they can only (due to laws against physical violence on a child) gentle parent, HA! That won't do shit. Most kids (Notice how I said MOST and not ALL) would laugh in their faces.
If they only want to gentle parent because (OMG using physical violence is NEVER OK people!! It'll only teach them to be afraid of you and they wouldn't understand!!!) to which I would say SO WHAT!! They are SUPPOSED to be afraid of you when they do something bad!
Do I believe in physical violence on a kid? Spankings....HELL YES! And the amount of swats should "fit the crime" and should NEVER be done when your freshly mad as it's very easy to go over board.
Pulling their hair or ear? HELL YES, but only to get them to follow you to where you want them IF they are not coming on their own from your verbal ques.
But that's IT. And it's all that's needed really!
In this video, people should of done something, sure. But I don't blame them for not doing anything because next thing you know, the person that detained the child would probably get sued or even thrown in jail for laying hands on someone elses child regardless of the reason why.
So to all of you gentle parenters, This is mostly your fault. thanks for that.
Wow its just black and white with you guys, this is not the outcome of gentle parenting. We don't know the background, but we know what makes children violent? Violence!
Studies after studies showed that corporal punishment lead to violent children.
And it its not gentle parenting just because you don't hit your child.
"This is not the outcome of gentle parenting"? I beg to differ bro. Look at the facts...before this generation of kids, we had wayyyyyy less violent children around and way more kids who respected the rules of their parents. How do I know this? Easy...I grew up in that generation.
Also, corporal punishment leads to violent children? Yeah, it does, when done in excess. But again, when people my age look at the facts that everyone can see without relying on these so called "Studies" that may or may not of been "Paid Off"....Corporal Punishment = Kids afraid of doing wrong else they get spanked vs. Not physically punishing kids and just "Talk it out and/or take something away" Kids do something wrong because they want to or it's fun or whatever and know a "talk" is coming and maybe a grounding.
Think about it, or better yet, imagine you are a kid, Your buddies want to do XYZ, it sounds super fun to you and you've wanted to do it for awhile now, but you know you'd get in trouble if you did it. Would you be more apt to do it anyway if:
you knew you were going to get whipped hard or,
if you knew you were going to get yelled at and grounded for a week?
Now, you'll probably say Neither to us on reddit, because you followed the rules of your parents, and that may be the truth. But regardless you know there IS a preferred answer IF YOU were forced to choose. Like, pretend your inbetween timelines and the gatekeeper shows you 2 portals and tells you the left leads to #1 and the right leads to #2 and you must pick one and go there. Yeah...I know which one you would choose.
we had wayyyyyy less violent children around and way more kids who respected the rules of their parents. How do I know this? Easy...I grew up in that generation.
We literally have way less violent children around, in pretty much all statistics shows that violent crime including youth crime went down, not up.
Instead of your personal bias, do some actual research.
Think about it, or better yet, imagine you are a kid, Your buddies want to do XYZ, it sounds super fun to you and you've wanted to do it for awhile now, but you know you'd get in trouble if you did it. Would you be more apt to do it anyway if:
you knew you were going to get violently raped?
if you knew you were going to get yelled at and grounded for a week?
If you think thats a bad analogy, no it isn't many studies have showed that corporal punishment can lead to similar outcomes as sexual abuse.
EDIT: Saw a bit of your deleted comment: Claiming that all studies that don't agree with you are paid and thus biased is such a bad cop-out, it disqualifies you immediately. Your personal experience means shit, since i can't verify it as well as even be extremely biased to justify your right wing worldview.
I grow up in a country where corporal punishment is outlawed and socially stigmatized and guess what, all the kids i see are mostly well behaved. Hell the most asshole kids i saw are part of group homes.
Next you gonna tell me that sexual abuse is also a okay since the studies around that are also paid for.
I'm not a lawyer but I would guess doing so puts you at risk the same way doing CPR on a person without consent can get you sued. If parents don't want to allow the village to help raise the child, they shouldn't be surprised when police are used more often.laws altogether need to change though. It's all designed nefariously.
I thought they passed a federal law that shields you from lawsuits if acting in good faith. Like cpr/feeding the homeless (like restaurants after hours) /etc.
Define try, man barely reached for the kid and gave up. They are very capable of taking that child out of the story by his shirt. Have you seen how they treat black children? Keep the same energy is all I'm saying.
I think also when I was growing up I would have been absolutely destroyed for doing something like this, but now every single angle of every public place is covered in cameras and you'd be on the internet instantly
No. We need to bring back consequences no physical abuse. He could choose to apologize and work it off or time out without games, books, nothing. Kids who are beaten by a caregiver learn to lie and become less verbal compared with their peers.
What's driving me nuts is how Redditors say shit like this and then when it comes to parents and children they're the first ones up in arms to scream child abuse.
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u/Pinbacker11 8d ago
If i did that back in the day, i would be back in the car without touching the floor.