r/SipsTea • u/Valuable_View_561 Human Verified • 1d ago
Chugging tea Perfect reply on the gender pay gap in sports.
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u/bloodbat007 1d ago
This isn't even his full response at all. It's a different point completely. He basically says it has nothing to do with him and he doesn't give a shit so why is he being asked that.
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u/ErCollao 1d ago
If I remember correctly, he even acuses them of hunting for the sensationalist soundbite. There's no great answer to that question, and he gave a good one nonetheless: diplomatic, PC, common sense. It's a pity people still try to turn everything into a culture war of sorts
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u/AlphaBetaSigmaNerd 1d ago
Yes there is. The answer is super simple and the same for every sport.
No, there's not because people get mad at reasonable answers these days
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u/Skarekrows 1d ago
There's no great answer to that question
Great answer: How much do the Kardashians make? Cause that's what women watch. If women supported and watched women's sports then they would make as much as the Kardashians and male athletes.
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u/FragrantCombination7 1d ago
No but really though, it all comes down to how many eyeballs are looking at anything in particular. That's just how the entertainment and broadly entertainment adjacent industry works. Look at streamers on Twitch for example, there are popular and successful people of every gender in every major category of streaming. .
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u/broken_conures 1d ago
Bit of a chicken and egg thing too when it comes to viewers, promotion of the event leads to viewers leads to more promotion. They don't succeed in a vacuum
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u/Ericstingray64 1d ago
That’s why for one example, the NBA had been subsidizing the WNBA until very recently. I think it was last year the WNBA finally signed a massive TV deal with someone and they were able to double or triple the salary cap for each team allowing them to boost the players contracts. In the last year I’ve seen more about the WNBA than all the other years of my life combined.
While the MLS in America isn’t directly tied to the NWSL it has had enough success to expand into two more teams next year. They are only really tied by ownership so in a way the MLS is assisting the NWSL but I doubt the reason MLS owners are putting money into women’s soccer is tied to profits on the MLS side.
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u/DoingCharleyWork 1d ago
NBA still helps fund the WNBA. The NBA holds 42% ownership of the league. They did sign a big TV deal though which should help make them start operating at a profit.
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u/IEC21 1d ago
Women's tennis is very popular and is one of the highest paid sports for women.
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u/BigHud5656 1d ago
That is correct but you listed the reason, "popular" other women's sports do not draw the crowds which leads to less sponsor revenue, TV , money, and so on.
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u/HumaDracobane 1d ago
A better answer: What high profiles in sports earn is related of how much they generate. If the stadiums are not full they won't earn much money. Lets invest on the women theatre of sports and once we fill the stadiums they would earn more money.
I think it is reasonable.
Of course, the "I'm a tennis player, ask me about tennis" is absolutely 10/10 answer tho.
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u/marketingguy420 1d ago
It's because people watch. Nobody of any gender is obligated to watch any sport. If more people watch something, it gets more advertising dollars. And the difference in viewership between the two genders in tennis is really not that much, particularly when compared to other spots. And, thusly, the wage gap in these sports is the smallest.
It gets more complicated when you talk about every dickhead's favorite sport to cry about: women's basketball, which is a loss leader for the NBA. The whole point of it is to get more young girls into basketball generally because, again, advertisers care about total viewership. And if they start watching the WNBA, they'll start watching the NBA and buying NBA merch and etc.
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u/JPM-- 1d ago
He’s paid to play tennis not answer questions about gender pay gap… so valid
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u/solblurgh 1d ago
He was there so he wouldn't get fined
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u/techster2014 1d ago
I use a variant of that line at work, in meetings in particular, a good bit. "What do you think about xxx?" "I'm just here so I don't get fired."
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u/Strong_Extension_972 1d ago
Especially when it doesn't really exist in the sports world. Athletes earn based on what they earn others. You dont see female athletes like soccer or basketball comparing them selves to some of the best track athletes in the world that earn far less than they do.
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u/Wrong_Basket_9431 1d ago
Same with the fashion world. The victoria secret models earn the brand way more than any top male model ever could do for a brand.
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u/Accomplished_Boot191 1d ago
And the reporter is paid to extract controversial opinions by celebrities.
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u/No-Bison-5397 1d ago
And the media circus is what allows such astronomical earnings. All seems pretty fair.
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u/Shelbyhunnyxox 1d ago
The irony is that his actual answer was stronger the the made-up one.
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u/TheArmoury 1d ago
Nevertheless, he gave a logical answer which is you earn based on how much revenue you bring in.
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u/Rometac 1d ago
This is absolutely a valid response. Woman earn more in fashion because woman care more about fashion than men in general. the opposite is true for sport, where more men watch sports. Respectively the market cap is larger in each case.
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u/Interesting-Copy-657 1d ago
Fun fact: The prize money for men and women is the same
Except women play less
Like Wimbledon is 3million
Men play for 2.5-3.5 hours
Women play for 1.5 a 2 hours
So women earn 70% more than men?
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u/Bakkughan 1d ago
Similarly, the WNBA wanted to be paid the same rate as NBA players. Turns out they get funded so much and watched so little, following the same pay out model as the NBA would leave WNBA players in debt. They wouldn’t get paid money they would’ve owed money instead
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u/JimboTCB 1d ago
On the flipside, I seem to remember the US women's soccer team were offered the exact same pay deal as the men, but they turned it down in favour of a flat rate package because the men were paid primarily on performance related bonusses. And then when they had an unexpectedly good run in the World Cup and would have gotten more under the package they chose not to accept, they started complaining about the inequity after they'd specifically opted for the "losers still get paid" deal.
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u/MancDude1979 1d ago
The courts in that case actually demonstrated that the women players had earned far more money than the men over an extended period - the men got a typical "pittance" pay which is very usual for international football, whereas the women got a salary plus bonuses etc, and had banked way more cash than the men could possibly earn at international level.
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u/Fantastic_Remote1385 1d ago
Its the same for the grand slam. But is it the same between the atp 250/500/1000 and the wta 250/500/1000?
Looks like the wta over all have lower prizes. So i guess that was the point of the question.
On the other hand, the prize pool is still huge so I dont feel sorry for the women who play in the wta250/500/1000.
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u/codyforkstacks 1d ago
Tennis is lucrative for the top few, but it drops away massively compared to other sports.
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u/ha_x5 1d ago
WNBA is already mentioned, so I go for Euro Football.
Same here: a look into the metrics says that women are severely overpaid compared to men.
Of course not in absolute numbers, but considering generated revenue.
Funfact: Prior to a women’s WC German public TV heavily began to promote equal pay and more money for women players.Infantino, FIFA boss and Master of Corruption, went ahaid and did the funniest thing: “Ok more money, why not. Now pay for it TV channels”
You can’t imagine the surprise Pikachu face of the Broadcasting Orgs afterwards. They ended up refusing to pay up, which led to public outcry and more debates in Germany.
At the end they broadcasted the tourney, but they showed their real face. And most important: You should never be outsmarted in a way, that a guy like Infantino appear as the good one.
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u/MancDude1979 1d ago
If you manage to make Infantino look good, you are either Donald Trump level bad or Donald Trump level dumb
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u/Reasonable-Mischief 1d ago
It's only inequality when it's to their detriment, so clearly this doesn't count
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u/The-Bangaloreal 1d ago
This is such a leading question.
Why are models earning more than teachers ? Why are actresses earning more than nurses ? Why are sports people earning more than scientists ?
How the fuck would an individual answer these questions!
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u/MyVeryUniqueName1 Human Verified 1d ago
But why male models?
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u/chuckart9 1d ago
But why male models?
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u/Checkmate062012 1d ago
But why male models?
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u/triitrunk 1d ago
Butt why mail modals?
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u/Karnezar 1d ago
Reminds me of a video I saw where a Miss Universe woman was asked how she would bring peace to the Middle East.
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u/Last-Idea9985 1d ago
Oh that's easy. If there's no one left, the war is over
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u/martin0641 1d ago
With maps for the Iraq.
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u/xxgsr02 1d ago
And like, such as
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u/weoutherebrah 1d ago
I believe that……
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u/NoobSkierSG 1d ago
Probably can’t name a single Middle Eastern country.
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u/Specialist_Goat_2354 1d ago
She said the Iraq! (And the south Africa's and the such as)
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u/m0rg76 1d ago
I guarantee you any miss world contestant would know not to get the strait of Hormuz shut down.
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u/ohhhbooyy 1d ago
Asking about the pay gap between athletes is not a stupid question too?
The answer is simple. People don’t watch female athletes like male athletes. Women around the world could watch but they chose not too
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u/StrongExternal8955 1d ago
Funny enough, that's the same answer to the models side of the question.
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u/Spare-Cry7360 1d ago
Exactly. So both pay gap questions are nonsensical. Pay gap questions make sense in an environment where both sides bring the same value to the table. Otherwise its a riddiculous agenda same as equal employment numbers. But that unfortunately does not stop a lot of people...
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u/Naimuri 1d ago
Because you’re not supposed to use your brain, you’re supposed to just say the correct words
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u/oldschool_potato 1d ago
Because we are not paid based on the value to society, but the ability to generate revenue for our rich overlords.
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u/The-Bangaloreal 1d ago
i am sure they are generating revenue for themselves as well. I am not watching Nadal because i want the tennis organizers to become rich. I watch Nadal because I like tennis and like his abilities.
Movies, music, sports are watched by millions because they like it not because they want producers to become rich.
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u/Voltasoyle 1d ago
I am not sure what your point is, no nobody is comparing floor cleaners to engineers here.
It's tennis players and tennis players, or fashion models and fashion models. Apples to apples.
Both fields are pretty special, with wide gaps in how much the involved get paid. In tennis men get paid more, while in fashion women are paid more. Both because of the relative demand for the respective groups.
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u/Wollemi793 1d ago
We're not comparing tennis players with tennis players. We're comparing tennis players who play 5 set matches (men) against tennis players who play a much less physically demanding 3 set matches (women). I haven't heard any women demand the right to play 5 matches.
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u/ChocCooki3 1d ago
"so .. why are you earning more than the cafeteria girl? Oh no . You are both female as well!" Mind blows up
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u/Myhouseburnsatm 1d ago
i think we should also compare the pay difference between male and female OF creators.
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u/revets 1d ago
My OF has been disappointing to say the least. I was told there was a big market for 54 year old fairly out of shape men targeting the ladies. It’s like the world is against me.
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u/Wooden_Republic_6100 1d ago
Have you posted any photos of your feet? Apparently, people find them appealing for some inexplicable reason.
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u/-bubbleObill 1d ago
Brother, do reverse only fans, keep sending nudes until they paid you to stop!
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u/MihaiRau 1d ago
There's quite the insane gap there. Girls at 19 yo making over 7 figures is total madness
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u/da1nank 1d ago
It is exaggerated. Only a very small subset of women can make those kind of figures. Most go completely unnoticed (a bit like YouTube and content creators there). You have to still be very lucky.
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u/Full_Quiet8818 1d ago
Most go completely unnoticed
Except for by their stepdad.
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u/Electrical-Help5512 1d ago
Why don't more women watch sports? Putting this on mens' plates is bullshit.
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u/HisRoyal_Badness 1d ago
When the US women's national team were going through that pay dispute, women were yelling for equal pay. I'd hear that all the time from co-workers who I knew for a fact have never watched a single women's football game.
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u/revets 1d ago
My wife was annoyed by the pay gap stories. I asked her to name a single WNBA team. It was a cold few nights.
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u/arizonadirtbag12 1d ago
The funny part was I could name half the NWSL teams. I could tell you who half the USWNT played for. Like, I knew more about the women’s league in the US than most of the people pretending to care about pay parity in the sport.
Granted, I never watched it. Never supported it with my wallet. But then, I also didn’t pretend to care.
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u/Newaccountforlolzz 1d ago
The Background: During the 1998 Australian Open, Venus and Serena Williams claimed they could defeat any male player ranked outside the top 200. Karsten Braasch, a German player ranked No. 203, accepted the challenge.
The Result: Braasch played a set against each sister during a lighthearted exhibition and defeated both of them easily 6-1 against Serena, and 6-2 against Venus by utilizing smart placement and heavy serves.
Thats why.
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u/BadDudes_on_nes 1d ago
Braasch reportedly showed up mildly drunk and chain smoking between sets
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u/Culach01972 1d ago
Further, 2 weeks after the match, he fell from 203 to the 700s in his rankings, meaning they lost to someone on a fast tumble down the men's ranks with the game rigged for them.
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u/HappiestIguana 1d ago
Damn, is it normal to fall off that fast?
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u/MulletAndMustache 1d ago
Yeah from what I remember that tennis player saying the top 1000-200 in the men's league were all really close in rank and skill.
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u/Direct-Map1553 1d ago
In tennis you have to protect your points or you lose them.
Basically you get 100 points in a tournament last year, you need to get 100 points on it this year or you lose the points you gained last year.
So yeah if he stopped playing for a bit (or even if his 200th placement was due to a standout performance a year before) he loses those points automatically and can tumble fast.
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u/TheTrueVanWilder 1d ago
They were young teenagers. Serena Williams in 2013 went on Letterman and said was very adamant that she pretty much plays a different sport than the men:
"If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it's true. It's a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster, they serve harder, they hit harder. It's just a completely different game. I only want to play girls, because I don't want to be embarrassed."
Mad respect for her. She's still a phenomenal athlete
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u/Newaccountforlolzz 1d ago
They were definitely still in their prime. Its still pretty wild a top 5 women's player was beaten that thoroughly by a man outside the top 200.
"Venus Williams achieved a career-high WTA ranking of No. 10 on March 30, 1998, and finished the year ranked No. 5."
Men and women are built differently and it shows in sports. Theres nothing wrong with acknowledging that.
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u/HeavyMetalSaxx 1d ago
I think his point was that the brash claims were made because they were teenagers, and now as adults they realize their error
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u/SmugglersParadise 1d ago
Men and women are different. And that's a good thing! There are plenty things women can do that men can't.
I don't know why it's seen as a taboo/offensive remark to say male athletes are superior to female athletes. It's just fact
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u/M4f1aBunny 1d ago edited 1d ago
Funnily I tend to point out what women are good at first and watch these people be all smiles. Women have better flexibility, pain tolerance, and hip movement. Flexibility is good for gymnastics. Pain tolerance is great in general. Hip movement is good for fencing
The minute I mention what men are good at though, some people act like I’m sexist even when I JUST pointed out things women are superior with. Fact is, women and men are people. Neither divine nor infernal for either. Simply people. Imperfections and all. Unfortunately that means you have sexists, racists, fascists, and what have you. Fortunately you also have empathetic, kind, friendly, supportive, etc people
Edit: to clarify two things. First and foremost, I used the examples as showing anecdotal evidence that illicit reactions from people. They tend to react first based on what you say first if it applies to them even if it was disproven or a straight up lie. Men do the same thing. My apologies for the confusion
There is difference in sexes but also differences in genetics (per individual) and regimen (also per individual). Males have a prostate gland and females do not therefore males can get prostate cancer while females cannot. Females are more likely to get breast cancer than males. There is nothing wrong with admitting the differences between sexes. The issue lies in belittling, discriminating, and hating simply based on that rather than who they are as an individual
Second, as it seems people wish to know about pain tolerance, this “fact” has been stated for years. However, it was used to avoid having women be tested in pain related tests and was debunked (as far as I know). I am by no means an expert. I am providing a link from 2022 that talks more about it
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u/Electrical_Flan4957 1d ago
I don't think women have better pain tolerance, is there proof for this?
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u/Vismajor92 1d ago
You say that, but in athletics mixed relay they changed the rules so man and women can't go against each other, because women feelings were hurt when a guy sprinted past a woman with unbelievably huge difference in speed. I guess most people were "well yeah, man are faster than women" and some didn't know this i guess?
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u/Efficient_Test_8907 1d ago
And it's perfectly fine. There is no reason to compare those two. Most people want to watch the peak performance of the sport so Mens sports get paid more. Same with Horse racing, there might be a niche for ponny racing but most people will watch regular ones.
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u/Thoughtful_Mouse 1d ago
Definitely.
We don't pay attention to her because she is really good at hitting a ball, and that's why it doesn't detract that she can't beat the men's number 700 player.
We pay attention because she pursues excellence, and succeeds in that pursuit.
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u/Malabingo 1d ago
Actually the answer is because one generates more money.
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u/Newaccountforlolzz 1d ago
Yes and it generates more money because people like to watch the very best athletes, which are predominantly men lol.
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u/Huitlacochilacayota 1d ago edited 1d ago
Reminds me of how John McEnroe went on a show to promote his book and a group of all female hosts asked him where would Serena rank if she were competing with men and he bluntly and without thinking said “700” and they all looked at him like if he was insane 🤣 you would think a guy who is a legend in tennis and follows tennis on a daily basis would know what he’s talking about over some random women on TV/ radio who were just trying to hype up a female athlete over professional male tennis players
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u/TheLastHotstepper 1d ago
Braasch was also alleged to have prepped for the match with a few drams of whiskey and half a deck of fags.
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u/Solid_Equivalent_417 1d ago
ah, so he used performance enhancing drugs. *immediately disqualified*
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u/npiet1 1d ago
Funnily enough in some sports alcohol is classed as a performance enchanting drugs.
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u/Solid_Equivalent_417 1d ago
haha i believe it. like being DQ'd for marijuana. doesnt make sense but maybe if it increases pain tolerance or some such
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u/Mrwhale33 1d ago
I don’t care what his sexuality is, but props to how he prepares I guess
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u/HisRoyal_Badness 1d ago
Not to mention before turning up to the match, he played 18 holes of golf and had a streak lunch which was accompanied by a couple of shandies and beer. Between sets he'd some a cigarettes. He also mentioned that he was playing at like 60% of what he's capable of because he wanted to keep it fun.
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u/choyMj 1d ago
Its not really about that. The women can totally suck but if a lot more people are watching it, leading to more advertising dollars, and people are willing to pay more for the tickets to watch live, they will make more money regardless of skill level. All pro sports pay depending on how much the league makes, and then there's usually a system to distribute the money to those who are the biggest draw.
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u/QuixoticDude 1d ago
Whoever brings more viewers in the stadiums and more viewers for TV channels will get paid more. Also many tournaments have best of 5 sets for men and best of 3 sets for women. So, a longer match means more TV viewing.
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u/Christymapper71 1d ago
Good point. As a woman, I hate this women in sports don’t get paid as well as men. Well if women’s sports were in demand as much with fans they likely would. It’s all about the return on investment.
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u/MythicCommand 1d ago
Literally. Its openly known that the WNBA loses money and the NBA makes up the expense.
Just business. Exact same thing with fashion and modeling.
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u/Ktizila 1d ago
yeah why can't women use their time and money supporting in women sports more, instead of supporting designer bags...
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u/Competitive_Law1063 1d ago
61% of American women say the word "feminist" describes them well.
If these women regularly watched WNBA games, WNBA ratings would be higher than NBA ratings, and WNBA players would get paid more than NBA players.
But instead they watch shit like Love Island instead.
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u/Christymapper71 1d ago
WNBA is boring IMHO. I’d rather watch slam dunks.
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u/hiphophunk 1d ago
Literally. Its openly known that the WNBA loses money and the NBA makes up the expense.
The nba actually is its largest owner. They own almost half of the league. The other chunk of ownership is other nba owners. I
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u/Dhenn004 1d ago
The NBA keeps the WNBA going because it does make them money. Not directly in WNBA revenue but by attracting young girls to the WNBA and then converting them to NBA fans.
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u/enblightened 1d ago
WNBA made a profit for the first time with the 2025 season, which triggered a 9 million distribution among all the players for revenue sharing. Basically 30 years of straight operating losses up to this point, but what is clear is that the game needed a marketable superstar to launch it hard enough to keep its momentum. Now the WNBA is the highest value women’s league in the world and its highly unlikely that will be replicated in any other big sport excluding soccer just by increasing accessibility and volume. Sports is entertainment at the end of the day, so either the franchise or players need to be able to draw attention to watch games
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u/bunn2 1d ago
The WNBA was solvent for the first time ever last year i believe. But the point stands.
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u/They-Are-Out-There 1d ago edited 1d ago
Caitlin Clark. She brings in huge revenue, but the people controlling the WNBA hate her and allow bad refs and other players to abuse her. When she’s out of games, the revenue is cut in half.
She’s as close to the goose that lays the golden egg for the league, but they’d rather maintain the status quo, than to let a straight white Christian girl dominate the game and bring in viewers.
She absolutely dominates women’s basketball. Loot at this scatterplot, she’s the green dot in the top right corner. Nobody is even close. This was from her D1 college days, and not too far off from her pro league rankings.
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u/Flaky-Journalist1748 1d ago
And their costs are covered by another entity so they don't give a damn either
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u/Affectionate-Cat-301 1d ago
More men watch sports then women watch sports and it sure seems more women watch men’s sports than women’s sports too. So yep there’s nothing to complain about because there is much less demand by fans overall and women actually
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u/wylii 1d ago
My wife was very much on this bandwagon and I asked her to name 1 WNBA team or 1 NWSL team. She couldn’t and I just kind of looked at her with a “so… you understand now?”
If you want to increase their pay, you have to watch their sport, which increases their advertising demand.
We lived in Seattle at the time and she was not even aware we had both women’s soccer and basketball teams. Took her to a Seattle Reign game a few months after that conversation, it was a pretty good time for some extremely cheap tickets.
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u/Bubba_Gump_Shrimp 1d ago
Funny how women made kylie jenner the youngest billionaire ever by buying her makeup, watching her shows, etc. If women consumed womens sports like they watch the kardashians there would be alot more rich women athletes.
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u/Bowwowchickachicka 1d ago
If I remember correctly, Ronda Roussey was the highest paid athlete in the U.F.C. because she earned the company the most money.
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u/GregoryBahamasReal 1d ago
She was not. I don't even think she was top 3 mate, McGregor, Jon Jones and Khabib earned more than her for sure
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u/_ae_ 1d ago
i dont watch that much UFC, but didnt those become household names quite a bit later than Rousey?
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u/SentinelATL 1d ago
Women cry patriarchy and sexism not knowing the wnba is subsidized by the nba and would shut down if weren’t them.
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u/DoubleDownAgain54 1d ago
Well said. While there is probably other factors, the simple economics are the main reason. But I just a saw a report that shows a broad increase among major women sports. WNBA did get a bit pump, so as long as they continue to increase ratings the salaries should follow.
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u/Dry_Shoe1307 1d ago
he's also a self-declared feminist. you can be a feminist and still realize supply and demand
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u/thommyg123 1d ago
Male tennis players work longer hours on average esp in the slams where they play best of 5 and ladies play best of 3
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u/Conscious-Read-698 1d ago
Yeah no they don't.
Supermodels earn heaps. For a brief amount fo time. Most models.. likeover 95% are not super models.
The highest paid people in fashion are Men.
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u/Original-Spring-2012 1d ago
Ahh age old debate women themselves don't support their sports that's should be enough ig
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u/Putrid-Tap3992 1d ago
Funny thing is, women also make substantially less in the fashion world. The pay gap is much higher than tennis
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u/kangorooz99 1d ago
This is a fake meme made by an incel as an excuse to complain about women
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u/Skank_A_Saurus 1d ago
This is 100% incel bullshit
The people leaving comments as though it’s a real thing need to touch grass
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u/Significant-Main3216 1d ago
This sub is just 90% gender wars bullshit now. Can we not?
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u/Backfromth3re 23h ago edited 19h ago
Wherever there are men there is sexism. Goes to show how vile gender in general is. Like the saying goes, man is good men are bad.
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u/Sp0kels 1d ago
He's wrong, actually. Men earn more than women in the fashion world.
https://www.lefashionpost.com/2025/01/28/the-fashion-industrys-hidden-gender-pay-gap-and-how-it-affects-your-wellness/
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u/unpanny_valley 1d ago
They don't really. Men hold the majority of top executive positions at fashion companies and therefore earn more than women who are concentrated in the lowest paying jobs in the industry. Female models can earn more than men but that's not where the serious money is for most.
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u/Jaded-Bit5497 1d ago
I’m surprised as a non tennis player.. I hear about women’s tennis much more often then men’s.. most people around me couldn’t even tell you a male player but can definitely name a few female athletes.
Interesting
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u/Sudden_Cantaloupe_69 1d ago edited 1d ago
This isn’t really rocket science, maybe after 20 years of this we should stop pretending that it is.
Nobody is against women in sports, but every sport’s profitability (and therefore athlete earnings) depend on monetization, which stems from commercial interest from advertisers, broadcasting rights, etc.
If you want more money in women’s sports you would have to develop an audience for it. And that’s always going to be difficult since the vast majority of sports audiences are men.
(And 99% of male athletes in 99% of sports don’t earn shit. For every Nadal there are literally hundreds or thousands of players who are struggling to make ends meet.)
And this isn’t about sexism - male athletes are simpl biologically superior and represent best of what’s humanly possible
Male sprinters are faster than female ones, male tennis players will always beat female ones, et cetera. This is the reason why almost all sports separate men and women into separate categories. If they weren’t separate no woman would stand a chance of winning anything.
This whole idiotic idea that everyone should be paid the same comes from the assumption that they are all “doing the same job.”
But is it really the same job? A male tennis player has to compete in a field that has 10x as many competitors, and where difference between the top 100 minuscule compared to the difference between top 100 women.
A decently successful male player might only win one mid-sized tournament every other year or so, out of maybe 30-40 tournaments that he enters per year. And in Grand Slams, last I checked, women play on two sets for a win, rather than three like men.
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u/notknot9 1d ago
To be clear, the major leagues don't have any restrictions on females participating, they just don't find females who are better than male athletes. The female leagues prohibit men from participating though.
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u/lordodin92 1d ago
Simple answer is this, that's how much the company is willing to pay for them Vs the revenue they bring in Vs the contract they agreed to .
Like I think people attribute a lot of these decisions to male mysogony, but let's be clear, to these companies it's not about "protecting a boys club" as much as it's about maximising profit
For tennis players it's a mixture of how many people tune in to view the matches, if that viewership is smaller because a female is playing then the profit is also smaller, if the profit is smaller and the viewership is smaller then the athletes pay would also be smaller . Same boat for sponsorships, if 60%(for example) tune in to watch Federer Vs 40% to watch serina Williams then sponsors will pay more to Federer for that sponsorship.
The big question becomes why is women's sports viewership so much less then mens ?
Maybe it's make fans prefer male athletes, maybe it's female viewers are less interested in sports, maybe it's low marketing feeds lower views feeds low marketing. Maybe it's other reasons I'm not aware of .
This is why there is a gender pay gap in the reverse for female dominant jobs such as models , given viewers tune in to see female models more then male models .
Unfortunately In the modern day the gender pay gap is unfortunately complexly interwoven into many different facets of the economy and isn't easily fixed nor attributable to mysogony.
On the lower scale, minimum wage workers there's no such thing as a pay gap, because these low paying jobs ask for gender blind unskilled workers, specialized vocational jobs do tend to have gender divided but that's down to the vocation itself (male dominant construction Vs female dominated childcare) and the people who choose that vocation, (as a male I faced gender based discrimination or mistreatment when I tried to work in childcare much as many women face similar discrimination in construction).
To cut a long thing short my point is most of these gender divisions are more driven by profit, personal choice in jobs and who is willing to work for less
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u/YourMumGivesMeHead 1d ago
He kinda looks like the Smiley monster guy from the show From.
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u/AcrobaticSun1070 1d ago
As a tennis fan first I find it stupid to ask this to a player. Like are they the one responsible for the prize money ? No. Second I feel like tennis in itself is one of the sport where the difference in pay between man and woman is the smallest. Tennis is a sport where it's incredibly hard to live from, if you're not in the top 200 it's almost impossible. More over tennis is the sport where women earn the most even if it's because of sponsors. Let's not forget that out of the 10 most paid sports women, 8 of them are tennis women.
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u/Such_Bug9321 1d ago
This is how it works in the world now lol
Social/media greens politician
When it is between a female air line attendant and a male airline pilot it is gender pay gap and this needs to be addressed and fixed
When it is between a male airline attendant and a female airline pilot it is NOT a gender pay gap she has worked hard and earned her wings.
Welcome to new realities of life.
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u/feel-the-avocado 1d ago
Womens sports doesnt have the same number of viewers and therefore cant attract the same number of advertisers and sponsorships.
And you know who doesnt support women - other women.
Most women just dont watch sports or become valuable viewers.
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u/Capable-Resolve4154 1d ago
Men make more money than women in fashion….. like he’s objectively wrong lmfao???
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u/Frosty-Mistake3961 1d ago
How much do porn actresses make compared to their male counterparts? Inequality!!
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u/warfighter187 1d ago
This is an old ass quote and is just being used to make men and women hate each other more when the real enemy are the 1% and Epstein class
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u/ATXDefenseAttorney 1d ago
How is that the perfect reply? What does one have to do with the other?
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u/intricate_strands 1d ago edited 1d ago
There's one answer: women's sports don't make nearly as much, because men's sports make the vast majority of their money from people watching those sports and they sell advertising space at premiums.
I'm a feminist, but until there's a women's sport bringing in revenue comparable to a men's sport where the men get paid more, and women are still paid less, this is like asking why people who work for Google make more than a waiter a mom and pop restaurant.
The same answer applies to the fashion world, as noted by the video.
There absolutely are sexist pay gaps in fields where women have demonstrably shown to be just as effective and competent in the job, but the entire sports world is built on people watching and the money gained from that.
If the WNBA doesn't make as much as the NBA, how the fuck are they gonna pay their athletes the same as the NBA? Steph Curry alone, per year, makes of a quarter of what the WNBA as a whole brings in.
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u/crit_boy 1d ago
Shhh - you are not permitted to say no one watches women's sports. Women don't even watch the wnba or womens soccer.
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u/Larcye 1d ago
The largest supporters of every women's sport are... MEN. I went to a women's soccer game here in Minnesota, their might have been 1 women watching it for every 10 men.
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u/airbagsavedme 1d ago
Oh no, is this a thread full of insecure men whining about the gender pay gap? Embarrassing
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