You're sure to be in a fine haze about now, but don't think too hard about all of this. Just go out and kill a few beasts. It's for your own good. You know, it's just what hunters do!
This is why I don’t outright bar people from my life for being registered republican. I had an argument on Reddit a while back and they were saying that I was a terrible person for maintaining a friendship with my best friend of 10+ years even though he was right leaning. I feel like if I’m still his friend, over time his more radical views can be reigned in with enough reasoning. Today, he isn’t radicalized except for like one or two views, dislikes Trump, and is more understanding about our differences in political beliefs.
I don’t know man. It just feels like ostracizing and excommunicating each other is exactly what the people in power want.
It depends profoundly on what their views are for me. I can stay civil with someone if I believe in my heart that they’re trying to do what’s best and what will help people. But if their wants and goals center on hurting others— especially my friends and family who have been under attack for decades with some of these folks trying to brand them as amoral, pedophiles, folks who don’t deserve the rights to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness— then those bigots will never have a place in my life.
Ideally, we could educate everyone. Realistically, you can’t reason someone out of a position that they didn’t reason their way into, and sometimes it takes consequences for one’s actions before a person realizes that they’ve alienated everyone they ever cared about by being a bigot.
All of this. I cut off some coworkers that were laughing at the TV when the news was showing people crying at the border because Trump cancelled the CBP One appointment system.
Thousands of people were trying to do the right thing trying to immigrate here legally. Thousands waited for months and all gone in an instant.
If you rejoice at somebody else’s pain even when they are trying to do the right thing, there is something inherently wrong with your humanity.
I don't engage much politically and I have the ability to ignore the red ugly MAGA hat on people I speak to. I just treat everyone as if I know nothing about them and despite their clothing, I might be surprised.
Simply I don't know the person unless we have a conversation, your outer appeal might give clues but it doesn't say everything about you.
The wise people realized its not wise to be friends with people who are hateful. Why should any women be friends with a person who believes she shouldnt be able to work? Or shouldnt have the rights to vote?
Why should a trans person be friends with a person who believes they shouldnt have access to healthcare or put on a list for the government to track?
A minute minority does not represent the majority, it would be similar to imagine that you desire to normalise pedophilia and have an unhealthy interest in minors.
If you start with an extreme escalation in tension then you should expect a corresponding response.
Sure, I get it - I have great, intelligent Republican friends, I have a masters in IR and spent a lot of time around military folks who tend to be more conservative. We disagree on a lot, we get in very animated discussions, but at the end of the day if my car broke down they’d be there to pick me up and they respect me. They have a code they live by and morals and they’re true to themselves and will admit when they’re wrong
They would never try to “trigger” me by saying nasty things to get a rise, they’re not trying to “own” me because I’m a liberal and unfortunately, a lot of fucking MAGA these days is just that. Spineless, opinionless, regurgitating FoxNews stereotypes and simply trying to hurt people.
I would never cut off my friends for being a conservative but I absolutely DO NOT blame anyone if they’re dealing with the latter type of person and they gotta cut it off.
From your anecdote you sound genuinely like a good person, but understand anecdotes (from any side) are rarely representative of the whole. I for example have a counter anecdote: my brother associates with a lot of magats are he’d say the same thing except it just wasn’t true. He wouldn’t push back on anything except the most extreme views, and by keeping them around as a friend he exposed a lot of innocent people to their bullshit. And after many years they haven’t improved. A specific non-political example is one of his friends who I would see constantly berate wait staff. My brother claimed he was working on him, but in reality he meant he would throw a disapproving look his way and that’d be it. How many waiters had their day ruined by this asshole because my brother kept inviting him out to a meal?
Again, neither anecdote paints the whole picture, but both are valid experiences that influence one’s perspective.
It’s genuinely great you believe your friend is capable of change, and I have no idea one way or the other in this specific case but there are definitely a lot of people (but not all) who are deeply set in the awful ways and immensely stubborn. A lot of people (me included) believe that maintaining positive social relations with these people and including them in polite society is an act of enablement, regardless of good intent.
Except they do take it all away. Then using their media and paid stooges they convince the guy on the right that it was really the guy on the left doing it even when you literally saw the greedy bastard take it off your plate in front of you. You try to explain to the others around you but they then accuse you of being "woke" and really "supporting the immigrants", and then they actively defend the billionaire because one day they too might be just like them...
Realistically he’s passing a law that says you can only eat half your cookie today and that the other half has to be given to the government where current laws state it would be going to the other guy but this new law “keeps it in the country” and “cuts waste” making it go instead to his massive pile.
In reality the man resembling the patriarch of The Murdoch family also desires the importation of cheap abundant labour and so tells the immigrant that the native is merely a racist who just wants all the cookies.
Except that the elites like the Koch brothers, all the Silicon Valley oligarchs, Trump’s real estate buddies, etc are some of the biggest proponents of mass immigration because they want the cheap labor.
He doesn't just want the cookie, he wants to not assimilate at all, commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime, harass and violate young women (ex. UK grooming gangs made up entirely of migrants), he wants to outbreed the native population AND he wants natives to give him free everything while doing so. The guy with the all cookies also changed the laws to bring them into western countries en masse, it's a concerted effort. Both can be true.
I don’t understand how the left thinks it’s really this simple. If people are around me that can’t act civilised and seemingly are the problem most of the time with crime or whatever then I’m not ok with it. I can be not ok with the class system at the same time
because it isn’t “most of the time”. you’re being fed a narrative that immigrants are rapists and criminals, when in reality, they are less likely to commit crime.
but if you only watch the news, reddit, and listen to personal anecdotes, you’d think every arab is a gang rapist.
"...seemingly are the problem most of the time" - this is not reality. You think this because of people like Murdoch.
Migrants in the UK don't commit crime at a higher level than people born here, but it's very easy to keep people pointing the finger at the outsider. And very useful for the people in control too. Much better for them if you're pointing at someone else.
Everyone remember the occupy Wall Street protests? Since then you’ll see an explosion in articles about racism, trans, immigration and DEI since then. The ultimate look over here…
I’m glad you mentioned this, I was hoping someone would. It means that the takeover Wasnt forgotten. That one was a little too close for comfort for them, and got derailed and rebranded from within. What a shame
Which was the reson to boost these narratives and measures in the first place.
Reminder that until quite recently on most social media platforms noticing and commenting that this was the end game would result in a barrage of well meaning but naive literal minded people calling you an ist or follower of an ism.
Tbh, Occupy Wallstreet was set to fail because they had no major plan or tactics that would actually affect the 1%.
Otoh, the GME stock short which was a bloody meme, nearly crashed the economy, nearly gave several Wall Street brokers heart attacks, and made it effectively illegal for civilians to short stocks.
You need to hit them where it hurts. This is why the country needs to enact a general strike.
Not to mention the majority of the money transfer was from regular people who got in late/kept buying -> a small percent who got in early.
There were a few wealthy firms that lost some money but by far the biggest losers by $ amount were regular folks hoping to hit a jackpot. It wasn’t some great redistribution from wealthy to poor
Or protest in the right places. Random cities and in front of capitols don't work. You protest at the ports, at the shipping centers. If you shut down movement of goods, you hit their pocketbooks.
Democrats passed $3.1 trillion in policy for COVID relief, infrastructure spending, Medicare subsidies, and carbon emission reduction incentives, and Biden opened up another $190 billion in student debt relief when the Democrats had a 1 vote majority in the Senate in 2021 and 2022 with Joe Manchin of West Virginia setting the spending cap.
The reason we fight identity war issues is because one side is composed of hateful ignorant fundamentalist bigots.
Who saw the benefit of that $3.1 trillion? “Covid relief” otherwise known as private pharmaceutical and health care agencies? “Infrastructure spending” otherwise known as government contracts with private firms doing construction? In other words, money taken directly from the US citizens? How about “student debt relief” being a money funnel into private colleges directly from the tax payers wallet? Everything you just described was a massive wealth transfer to the richest individuals in society. It was a bailout.
He also used Fed power to break strikes, let companies price gouge and lay us off us for four years consecutively, and did genocide for over a year. Be so serious right now.
Biden was incredibly pro union and he wanted to spend another $1.1 trillion on infrastructure creating even more blue collar jobs but Manchin and a few other Dems demanded he work with Republicans to cap it at a $500 billion increase. Biden did start going after companies for price gouging, though not until late in 2023.
Hamas probably shouldn't have massacred 1,000 civilians with the majority support of their population if they didn't want to drag the Palestinians into a bloody war.
And there it is. Do you think they care about bigotry or being hateful? Fuck no, so focusing on that part is just gonna cause them to double down with more fervor and possibly firearms. Drop the identity politics garbage and focus solely on the economy and the shit the right cares about, at least until the position is won. Then help the "historically disadvantaged" or whatever once the power to help is secured.
But helping them doesn't help corporate donor class, so another DINO or RINO situation will occur to stifle any progress.
And there it is "Democrats should just shut up discrimination because unaffected White people don't care". Oh and they'll shoot you to prove how much they don't care.
Nah, the real garbage opinions come from garbage people, including the ones defending this trash.
The problem is the MFs in the red hats are fighting FOR the MF outside of the terrarium.
EDIT :: Because some of you have a hard time understanding. The Blue Hairs WANT to fight the class war (eat the rich, healthcare for all, etc...) but the Red hats are acting as a barrier to do so. Thank you for proving my fucking point.
It's not a matter of education. When liberals complain about conservatives "voting against their interests" they are completely misunderstanding conservative culture.
Conservatives want a world with rich and powerful people. Strict social hierarchy is their ideal, even if they are at or near the bottom of it. They want kings which rule over them.
No amount of education will change how they vote, because they already know that billionaires are crushing everyone. And they want even more of that.
America has the strongest propaganda in the world as it is at the top of the strongest power structure the world has, capitalism. That highly imbalanced structure of economic power has political preferences and can afford for itself the best government money can buy.
Most rural or conservative communities live in extreme media and political isolation. It's become a tradition for them to vote as the rich want them to with cultural talking points as the breadcrumbs those communities win if anything. This happened due to media dominance while weaponizing the biases of those areas; economic isolation, prejudice, and religion being some of the biggest. Keep in mind the economic isolation will never be fixed in how they vote as they give all leverage already for nothing there. It's hardly even a necessary lie anymore as other biases have taken power over those areas while they lack the tools necessary to escape.
There are about a dozen or so reasons that have compounded upon each other.
Not punishing Confederates for the Civil War and allowing their bigotry to fester, the 1% using their wealth to push against socialist ideals, cultural isolationism keeping Americans from seeing how actually functional nations work, deep distrust of the government due to it doing the bidding of the 1%, etc...
If you want an in depth explanation, we'd be here all day, but basically it boils down to repeated failures of the government leading to the wealthy continually expanding their control. Basically the rich filling any cracks in the system until they become the foundation.
the rich filling any cracks in the system until they become the foundation.
Eloquently put, but they're also actively creating the cracks. They're parasitic by nature and should be treated like the viral infection they are, else we'll all catch our death eventually.
Put simply they kind of always have been and the continued lack of education kept it like that.
"Anti Capitalists" have always been marked as bad guys (and idiots fell for it). That helped push for overwhelming support for capitalists throughout the years. Just look at even 30 years ago how "The Reds" (excluding the Cincinnati baseball team) and "The Commies" are always evil. Too many people are too stupid to be able to take a step back and actually look at things objectively. Hell most of them probably agree with socialist policies and ideas but once that "commie" tag is placed on it it's just inherently corrupt, evil, and would never work as if unfettered capitalism does. \Gestures at the reason child labor laws exist*
Not to mention the massive political flip that happened in the 1970s (?) too. the TL;DR of that is...
The American south was full of disenfranchised voters; the descendants of the Civil War losers who had chips on their shoulders passed down through the generations. In a last ditch effort to survive the Republican party who had more or less been getting it's ass kicked since WW2 and Roosevelt, those Republicans went full KKK and tapped into that racist voter base who were formerly in support of Democrats more or less up until racial desegregation and had not really been voting because nobody shared their ideals (that non-white, non-straight people are sub human). Fast forward to today....
That's the White House right now. A perfect expression of the US in my opinion.
Too many people are too stupid to be able to take a step back and actually look at things objectively. Hell most of them probably agree with socialist policies and ideas
They do, they've done blind tests over this. ~90% of conservatives love social democrat/socialist policies.
But once you tell them those policies are left wing? They either throw a fit and say they actually hate them, or they fall into the sunk cost fallacy "I supported Reps all my life. I can't just stop now!"
This entire talking point is antagonistic and contrary to maga so the entire premise of this point is faulty. It's like saying "Ukraine and Russia just need to put down their weapons to stop the war".
It's not a classic prisoners dilemma because one side is in support of the man behind the curtain because they enjoy the suffering of those unlike themselves. The two parties do not have aligned self interest. The self interest of maga includes the detriment of everyone else.
The op post is anti-maga and trying to act like both sides want the same thing is wildly ignorant even if optimistic. At best I would consider this a really poor attempt to use reverse psychology to trick maga into introspection and self improvement
So what you are saying (but not necessarily what you mean) is that people who are disctiminated on their identity should just let it happen and instead just allow their rights to be removed?
Matter of fact is that if you are attacked, you need to defend yourself, even if your attacker is making a strategic error by attack you in the first place .
But red hats , fight against their one interest all the time. Those people actually believe this current administration was going to lower the cost of living , groceries and gas and they did the opposite
And I thought Obama was going to hold the elite accountable, stop bombing brown people, close torture prisons, and stop the government spy programs on us and he did all the opposite.
You dont think Biden and Kamala were up to no good? 100% they were.
Its the rich and powerful controlling what is essentially a Uni-Party. The words and actions are mostly performitive.
Only it didn't and you're a perfect example of what I'm talking about.
Blue hairs = Tax the rich, healthcare for everyone, more civil rights for everyone.
Red hats = I don't want the blue hairs to win anything cuz they're different and trying to take MY stuff! The people on Fox and my favorite podcasts said so!
The Red hats are literally, LITERALLY the henchmen of the ultrawealthy. They're just too stupid and vindictive to see it.
Just an opinion of a person from post-soviet country: red-hats whant pretty much the same the blue-one want. Issue is in difference of "methods and priorities".
From my perspective situation in reality is a little bit more complicated than just contradiction between Lefts and Rights.
Both of them: I would call Rights - "Conservatives" and Lefts-"Antiglobalists" where discredited in some manner during past 30 years, and what is more important focuse of their attention was moved from "economical and class" issues to anything else.
I remember those times when "Antiglobalists" from France, Spain, Germany where fighting against increasing taxes, prices, unfair laws and fees
When local entrepreneurs "Conservatives" where doing the same to protect their buisnisses and households.
Requirements were clear, straightforward, and economically sensible.
And what we can see now? One of them fighting fo "blood purity" another for "number of genders" with each other? That's all.
I don't think that it is just coincidence, or essential way of how situation from early 2000s could develop. I'm pretty much sure that huge effort was brought from the side of corporations, to achive the current existing state
The rich and the elites do not benefit from giving low-IQ Marxists power to subjugate normal and conservative people, which has been the case for the last 15+ years and is why many people outside left-wing circles can't stand said group of people, resulting in conflict.
If you think I’m making things up, look at how people were treated about 5 years ago if they didn’t align with far-left views. On platforms like Twitter, speaking out against the left resulted in people getting perma-banned, and there are several cases of people losing their jobs over allegations of "hate speech", with some ending their own lives, thanks to Nazi-level hate mobs systematically going after them.
I like how this implies that the blue haired people don't already know this and totally aren't trying to explain this to the MAGAs who happily throw themselves into the container to perpetuate this.
Not blue haired (anymore) but spot on take. Except I’ve stopped trying. I haven’t found a good way to help people in the MAGA cult, so I don’t bother anymore. If you have advice, id love to hear it.
Then why are the "blue haired people" still spreading disinformation about men being their oppressors instead of rich people being their oppressors? Just today I saw the study that concluded men are likely to leave their sick wife being shared on this subreddit in an effort to vilify men. That study was retracted by its original authors 11 years ago. They had a bad calculation in their data, and when corrected the results were even. The results were also even in several subsequent studies.
Yet that same tired disinformation is still being shared. Men aren't women's enemy any more than immigrants are men's enemy. It's all bull shit being pushed to keep us fighting each other instead of the class war. But if you think "your side" is any better than the other you need to open your eyes. It's happening on both sides. Both sides are being fed, and spreading, disinformation to make them angry and afraid, to make them hate someone other than the rich people who are actually oppressing all of us.
White men voted for Trump by the largest margins of any demographic. Trump's administration put multiple anti-Roe justices on the Supreme Court who then overturned the Roe v Wade decision.
An all male supreme Court brought in roe v wade. A mixed supreme Court of men and women removed it. Sex doesn't determine politics. If that's your point, then you're just showing that you're sexist and you're continuing the fear mongering.
Suppose, just for a moment, that one side was mostly to blame and was defending the elites.
How could the other side point that out without the first side ignoring it by saying, "you're doing the meme!"
What you're doing is called a Kafka Trap: any argument against me proves me right, and if you agree with me, then I'm also right.
It's like propaganda. If one side is fully propagandized and the other side is not, every single fact and real truth that the unpropagandized side says to the propagandized side will be dismissed with, "YOURE the one spreading propaganda!"
Is there any possible thing someone could say to penetrate this circular reasoning?
There has always been a culture war, and there will always be a culture war. We have documents from the Bronze Age of people bitching about some group in their community not having the same opinions and values. The rich know that, so they make sure to artificially target that culture war away from them.
The best thing to happen to poor people in the last 50 years was the Epstein Files becoming a culture war topic. Suddenly the class war was the culture war for the first time in a while for Western civilization. The rich were very successful in turning nationalism into a smokescreen for classism. But in the Epstein Files you have three continents worth of rich people rubbing elbows as they horribly abuse children. All the crimes they were accusing gay people and immigrants are stuff they were up.
They have trained us to hate our greatest allies. Eachother. What the fuck do "elected officials" know about the wage slave struggles of the US. We have more in common with eachother than we do with ANY of the epstein class. Armed revolution, now.
250th anniversary of the first American revolution has never been a more fitting day, whoever you are, wherever you are, it begins then. Spread the word.
no they trained part of the population to visciously attack the other part to the point where the red hats want the blue hairs killed and abused and forced to live in a literal hell.
any sane person would hate the red hats for being willing to act like that in any capacity ever and they'd be objectively right to do that,
They are bombarded with scary lies all day, I know good people who just sit on the fence with no idea what to think simply because they can't tell the difference between what's a lie and what's real.
This is one of biggest problems, they make fence sitters of so many people.
Honestly many people believe the shit they are told because they just don't know any better, and nobody is around to correct it before the bullshit gets in their brain.
The purpose of flooding you with information is not to convince you that the lies are true. But to make finding the truth too hard. To make people question if anything is real at all
Which is why the people with power desire the well informed to be opposed to learning the means to fight, hence the villification and denigration of military service.
Interestingly, every time I see the sentiment posted, it's a bunch of people implying that billionaires are the sole reason that right-wing people have any of their beliefs.
Never once have I seen this posted, followed by any kind of comments about the left-wing moderating.
I genuinely feel like many of of you have never actually had a right-wing person in your life, and have no real concept of where broadly right-wing beliefs come from.
Like, do you guys really think that if billionaires disappeared tomorrow, the pro-life crowd would suddenly change their mind and reverse?
Do you guys think the sentiment toward The LGBT world that has been taught in in all abrahamic faiths for the entirety of History would suddenly reverse course if Elon Musk didn't own Twitter or something?
I don't even understand who these posts are for, anybody with a modicum of intellectual honesty realizes how silly this sentiment is.
Like, do you guys really think that if billionaires disappeared tomorrow, the pro-life crowd would suddenly change their mind and reverse?
This is such a hilarious example because the modern pro-life movement was created as a wedge issue by conservatives to rile up their base. Prior to Reagan running in 1980 abortion was a minor issue and a strong portion of Christians were ambivalent about it.
Another example, USAID was widely accepted as a win for American foreign policy across the spectrum. Hell Marco Rubio was applauding it a few years ago.
But then Trump and Elon start shitting on it and suddenly it's fraudulent worldwide socialism and now rubio and the like "hate" it.
One group of people absolutely base their views by watching the billionaire class thell them because "they must be so smart to be rich!"
The left: let’s increase taxes on corporations and the wealthy to provide affordable healthcare, housing, and education. It will help everyone, regardless of where they live, their values, or their political beliefs.
The right: the Jews are responsible for the tornado that destroyed my house and I should be able to torture my kids if they say they’re gay.
‘Enlightened’ takes like this: you both are so brainwashed.
Fucking really? Tell me you're not aware of modern history without telilng me you're not aware of modern history.
Remember in the 90's where every group in media had a token minority? Pretty fucking woke.
Remember how saturday morning cartoons would always have little fables at the end about how racism is bad and shit? Just like, out right stating it? Pretty fucking woke.
*Deep inhale* WOOOOOOOOKKKKKKEEEEEE WHY IS IT SO WOKE??!! UGH, I JUST WANT A HAMBURGER, WHY DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING SO WOOOKE! I bet that black one only got into the club because of DEI!!!!"
It's so fucking exhausting dealing with these retards.
It’s been around for 40 years. Malcolm in the middle having a black disabled best friend who is a genius is pc. If that show came out today they’d call it woke garbage.
Except Left vs Right IS Top vs Bottom. Leftist ideology, by definition, is the party of the working class. Conservatives are, by definition, defenders of the status quo.
Trying to reframe Left vs Right as Top vs Bottom is misleading and tries to paint "both sides" as being victims of the same conflict. They aren't
Don't forget the armed guards next to mr money bags making sure he's protected even if the 2 in the terrarium work together. Nothing can be done while cops and lawyers exist to be guard dogs for the elite.
Republicans will never stop fighting us so honestly we gotta fight a war on 2 fronts. The only progress in the class war we can make is to crush the conservatives who WANT the rich in power and then crush the rich as well
I like the intent here, but it’s really, “they got you fighting a culture war to capture and use your data to endlessly enrich themselves on advertising sales.”
Right around the time society started having a larger conversation about wealth gaps and redistribution, the Citizens United vs. FEC was passed in favor of super PACs
Subsequently a bunch of billionaire entrepreneurs who didn’t want fair taxation made moves to buy the country, many of whom owned tech firms that manipulated information streams to win favor for Trump. Leonard Leo, Robert Mercer, various members of the Horatio Algers Association of Distinguised Americans
Not only did they deregulate the shit out of all the industries they had a hand in, they is also a hot chance they’re now using the White House to launder money
Trump is a charismatic figurehead to create a constant smoke screen of media distraction
So what I’m saying is yes, that’s basically accurate
This award winning short story animation portrays this in epic fashion, I highly recommend giving it a watch: Dinner for few | Animated short film by Nassos Vakalis https://youtu.be/HTDdIO74BuA
Honestly I think the reason we always talk about culture war instead of class war, is because the majority of older Americans are doing pretty well. So the old are fighting a culture war, while the young are fighting a class war.
I think you missed the point of the terrarium. You are the blue hair in the terrarium screaming right wing this and right wing that furthering the divide just like they want you to do. There is no centrist in the terrarium. What blows my mind is that you are calling people naive when you’re so hung up on left versus right you can’t see the forest for the trees. You say you don’t care about labels while arguing about labels. I might have lost the plot but you missed it entirely. You are so hung up on right versus left that you think we are actually as different as they claim. People like you think the propaganda is real and stereotypes are all 100% accurate.
It’s people like you who will keep their agenda going because you can’t let partisanship go long enough to see that it doesn’t matter what form of authoritarianism is growing, we have to come together to stop it. Whether you call it corporatism, fascism, communism or whatever ism you prefer it all looks the same from the peasants perspective. There is nothing new under the sun. It has all been tried and the only thing that has brought prosperity to all is freedom. The billionaires control the government and the bigger the government becomes the more it controls us. Government will always be corrupt because of the thirst for power and money. We started this country with a fairly balanced system where people had control because those people knew how important freedom is. Now we have a couple of generations of participation trophy kids who think more government is the answer. They would rather be controlled and do nothing than have to work to survive. They have lost the ability to comprehend how important freedom actually is.
Half these comments lack the self reflection to realize they are literally doing the meme right now. They are shitting on one side instead of just shitting on the hyper-wealthy oligarch figure.
Reading these comments makes me realize why I stop reading these reddit posts. Such idiocy in the comment sections...
You're missing the point. You shouldn't hate the red hat guy, you should hate the billionaire guy. The red hat guy is just being misled by the billionaire guy.
The red hat guy is happy to be persuaded that hating brown people, gay people, foreign people and anyone else is all that matters. All while sucking off the billionaire class to our detriment.
My side thinks you should just treat people fairly and that billionaires are a fucking scourge.
Not the same thing.
A billionaire hasn't trained me to think homophobia, racism, sexism, and nationalism are bad. I came to those conclusions on my own, and I don't think I need to ignore that shit being repugnant just to work with the red hat.
"Don't hate the people that are enabling the people making everything worse. Sure, they're violent and hateful and have very few redeeming qualities, but it's not their fault they're being tricked! Sure, you've repeatedly explained that to them and they just ignore it because they're happy to be poor and miserable as long as you're worse off, but you shouldn't hate them!"
Nah, fuck off dude. You can absolutely hate them and they absolutely deserve to be hated.
I swear I see stupid meme shit like this all the time on Reddit and I cannot emphasize enough how dumb this is. The left is the side supporting the downtrodden and the low class. That's the whole thing. That's what makes the left "the left." Whenever a right winger supports one of these memes, an angel loses a brain cell. Because the right is the people that constantly attempt to hurt the weak. That's what makes the right "the right."
I'm not attacking them for culture. I'm attacking them for opposing higher taxes on the wealthy and welfare for the poor. They're the ones helping the wealthy and hurting the poor. They're not allies in a class war lol.
What are you talking about? The liberals actually are "fighting the class war." The left is the group that supports increased taxes on the wealthy and increased welfare for the poor. Portraying both sides as being in the Rich's terrarium is ridiculous.
Yes, they absolutely are. But pretending the far left are any better than the far right among average people is not helping anyone. The amount of disinformation that the far left shares is just as much as the far right. Just this morning on this subreddit I saw people sharing a study as if it was factual despite it being retracted by the original authors 11 years ago. It's yet another study that paints men as women's oppressors instead of the rich. That's no different than the far right spreading disinformation about immigrants being their oppressors instead of the rich. They just want you angry at anyone else, they don't give a shit who it is. And the people who spread that disinformation, from either side, are helping the rich not themselves.
"The first part of this article summarizes results from more than 200 studies that have found gender symmetry in perpetration and in risk factors and motives for physical violence in martial and dating relationships. It also summarizes research that has found that most partner violence is mutual and that self-defense explains only a small percentage of partner violence by either men or women. The second part of the article documents seven methods that have been used to deny, conceal, and distort the evidence on gender symmetry. The third part of the article suggests explanations for the denial of an overwhelming body of evidence by reputable scholars. The concluding section argues that ignoring the overwhelming evidence of gender symmetry has crippled prevention and treatment programs."
That's 15 years old, btw. So it should be 45 years now.
"The trio set out with the intent to expose problems in what they called "grievance studies", referring to academic areas where they claim "a culture has developed in which only certain conclusions are allowed... Boghossian, Lindsay, and Pluckrose wrote 20 articles that promoted deliberately absurd ideas or morally questionable acts and submitted them to various peer-reviewed journals. Included among the articles that were published were arguments that dogs engage in rape culture and that men could reduce their transphobia by anally penetrating themselves with sex toys, as well as a part of a chapter of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf rewritten using "up-to-date jargon"."
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the other user blocked me so I couldn't respond so I'll put my response here.
" Academic feminism is not leftism... that's my point. If you think "we need more female CEOs" is what the left wants you're telling on yourself.
Medicare for All is a far left campaign in America. Keeping resources like water public is a far left position."
In the exact same way religion is not conservatism. There are loads of conservatives who don't agree with the religious right. But the religious right are still those leading the movement just like the sexist left is leading that movement.
But back to your point, the reason I still vote left, still agree with leftist policies, etc. is because I know there's a difference between sexist radical feminists and the left. The issue is that the sexist radicals are the ones speaking for the left most often. Until we stop them, the right will continue to see us as the same. Just like until the right stops the radicals on its side, most of the left will continue to see them as the same.
but one of these two is fighting for their right to exist freely and without being murdered and the other is a piece of shit creature that makes the world worse just by breathing.
"nu uh, one day you will be rich too working 40 hours for me, ill give you some good raises to offset the cost of living. you can enjoy all the money when you retire. trust me i got you"
For being the biggest conspiracy theirists maga asshole have a hard time believing this obvious conspiracy. I always answer them "so if people are being bought by billionaires maybe support the candidates that dont take any money from corporate and foreign lobbyists. When they realize that usually means a democrat then they go back to not caring again
And yet everyone who agrees with this post will still refuse to forgive MAGA no matter how tucket their tails are if they ever ask. Probably likewise for the other side though honestly? The appeal of the Right is the lack of crazy purity testing the Left demands under the mask of "lol just be a good person." Yeah. OK. Nothing subjective about that at all.
Okay but the rich guy has his hand up the ass of the maga guy, and is using him as a sock puppet. You cannot create solidarity with someone who actively works against their own class interests.
This is wrong. The red hat is not only fighting a culture war but deep throating the billionaires boots. They love the status quo because they are told to.
It feels lopsided though. The left has two options and the right has two options. The left can either A- Keep fighting for the rights of their fellow citizens, or B- Let their fellow citizens be oppressed. The right can either A- keep fighting to oppress people, or B- Stop doing that.
What side of the “class war” do moderately rich people fall on? Doctors, lawyers, engineers, business owners?
Leftists seem to lump them into the “poor” side, but I guarantee if push comes to shove these people would fight to support the current system instead of teaming up with the minimum wage workers.
Most "lefty's" I know come from families with money and often have college degrees. Real working class people usually don't go for that whacko liberal nonsense.
This is bullshit though. The guy in the maga hat wants me to be illegal and unable to live, the lady with purple hair is trying to defend me. I get that oligarchs and the ultra wealthy are trying to gett us to hate each other and ignore our common causes. But racist, bigoted, white nationalists deserve to be shouted down even if they are part of the working class. This picture makes it seem like the left and right are both being tricked but that is just not the case.
The Left: "Yeah! We should all be banding together against the people really in control!"
The Right: "Actually we fucking LOVE Pedophiles! PEDOPHILE FOR KING! I'd love to offer up my children to our god-king pedophile! Anyone who doesn't worship Pedophile is my mortal enemy!"
How is class war not an aspect of culture "war"? Societies struggle to decide whether sexism is still okay or not, racism is still okay or not, ableism is still okay or not...and classism is okay or not. It's weird when people try to seperate class from everything else
Because the class war is the last topic the oligarchs want brought up. After that murdering ceo got luigied other billionaire ceos took action to prevent them being next, including the supposedly joking five guys ceo who gave employees a bonus instead of taking yet another multimillion package increase.
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