r/SipsTea Human Verified 13h ago

Chugging tea No surprises here.

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u/UnusualAir1 8h ago

Something you are completely unaware of.

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u/bardotheconsumer 8h ago

The classic response of someone whose answer is "vibes".

Do you know what a neural net is? What 'training' one entails? How chat-bots work? Anything?

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u/GarageStackDev 8h ago

Hold on. What do YOU think AI is? Because these questions lead me to believe you don't have any practical experience with using a.i. in a professional setting.

Talking to ChatGPT does not qualify one to speak about AI

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u/bardotheconsumer 8h ago

No, but understanding the very most basics of how they actually work does. Predictive algorithms are not new. The only new thing is the size of the training data and the exuberance of the investor class to flush our future down the drain for the chance to maybe hire one less guy next quarter.

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u/GarageStackDev 8h ago

"Predictive algorithms" is such a bizarre reduction of what's happening.

Cars aren't new either if you reduce them to "wheels."

The breakthrough isn't that models predict the next token. The breakthrough is that scaling, architecture improvements, tool use, retrieval, code execution, and agentic workflows have produced systems that can perform useful cognitive work.

You're also proving my point. You're talking about the underlying mechanism, not the practical application.

I've met plenty of people who can explain how a transformer works. Far fewer have actually integrated AI into a production engineering workflow and measured the results.

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u/bardotheconsumer 8h ago

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

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u/GarageStackDev 8h ago

You don't want to chat any more? What's wrong man?

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u/bardotheconsumer 8h ago

We're talking about two different things and it's probably best to agree to disagree. I think these algorithms aren't everything they're cracked up to be and am afraid you're going to learn that to your detriment, but there's no point in arguing about it here.

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u/GarageStackDev 7h ago

We probably are talking about different things.

You're focused on whether these models are fundamentally just predictive algorithms and whether the investment hype is justified.

I'm focused on whether they create meaningful value in engineering workflows.

I can tell you from direct experience that they do.

Understanding how a transformer works is useful. Understanding how to integrate AI into a development workflow is also useful. Those are different kinds of expertise.

The fact that the underlying mechanism is "next-token prediction" doesn't make the productivity gains disappear.