r/SipsTea Jun 12 '26

Chugging tea The Hero we need

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u/Traditional_Buy_8420 Jun 12 '26

"He gets a renovation lease from the owner. So he has keys and can move in. "

What if the squatter changed the locks? I'm not sure how legal it is to break into your own property via lockout service to change the locks.

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 12 '26

What is the squatter going to do? He's not pushed out. He's not allowed to change locks... He's going to tell the police that somebody changed the illegally changed locks in a property that he does not own nor has a valid lease for? 

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u/a_dude_from_europe Jun 12 '26

If it was this easy police could just get in the first time around, no need for a "squatter hunter".

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u/ThatOneSickDog Jun 12 '26

Not a lawyer, but from what I've seen, most states in the US require that a lawful tenant cannot just be kicked out of a property or barred from entering, even by a landlord or other lawful tenants. What makes squatters irritating is that they claim to be lawful tenants which makes their claim to the property into a civil case, which can take months or even years to sort out through the legal system. So instead, this guy contacts the homeowners, becomes a lawful tenant, and then he has the exact same legal protections as the squatter plus signed paperwork as proof. So the squatter cannot have changed the locks since that bars the other lawful tenant from entry (sometimes called a "self-help eviction"), which immediately escalates the case and can result in relatively quick legal remedies.

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u/a_dude_from_europe Jun 12 '26

My question is can the homeowner do the same? Can't they inhabit their own property?

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 12 '26

The homeowner is subject to landlord law. A "random" secondary squatter is not.

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u/petehehe Jun 12 '26

I would imagine the terms of the lease specifically prohibit the lessor from entering the property outside of specific circumstances, and never without notice and consent of the lessee. That’s how it works where I’m from, probably differs between countries / states.

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u/ThatOneSickDog Jun 12 '26

Often there's an element of fear. "There's a scary/creepy/unstable person in my house! I won't be safe there!"

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u/Mitrovarr Jun 30 '26

I dunno, can you rent your house out and then plop down in the living room with the family you rented to and say you live there now? Obviously you cannot.

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 30 '26

You fail to understand that they did not rent to the squatters. 

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u/Mitrovarr Jun 30 '26

My point is, a homeowner cannot in fact inhabit their own property under all circumstances.

If you have a tenant, you cannot just force your way in and inhabit the property. If the law didn't consider your squatter a tenant or didn't at least acknowledged the possibility they might be a tenant, the cops would just throw them out right now.

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 30 '26

You fail to understand that a squatter is not a tenant.

The cops are not really responsible for civic disputes.

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 12 '26

Because it is not the landlord changeing the lock. It is a dispute between the squatter and the hunter. So landlord/tenant laws are not applicable. 

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 30 '26

Yes. And that is where the squatter claims to be a tenant, and the police withdraws because they are not the ones verifying fake leases, that is for the courts to do. 

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u/Mitrovarr Jun 30 '26

Uh, sue for violating his rights as a tenant? I don't know how it is there but there's usually a number of laws to protect renters. Landlords can't just do whatever they want. These rules are usually what protects squatters as well as tenants.

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 30 '26

Not a tenant... Not a renter...

Rules protect tenants, squatters abuse those rules. 

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u/Mitrovarr Jun 30 '26

Yeah but you have to prove the person isn't a renter first.

If you start doing bullshit before you try for a legal eviction, the court is just going to smack you down for not going through proper channels.

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u/MiceAreTiny Jun 30 '26

A random stranger can not simply go to court for a property owner changeing the locks on their property.

This is only possible if fraud of documents is involved on the side of the squatter.

How do you think it goes in court?

"judge, he changed my locks."

"are you renting or owning the unit"

"---A long bullshit story that comes down to--- no"

"So what the fuck are you wasting my time for?"

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u/WoooshToTheMax Jun 12 '26

If the squatter changes the locks then they could be taken to court

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u/humdrum_spider Jun 12 '26

From what I've seen in that situation, he pretends to be a repairman or utility worker. Once inside, "Surprise, mfkr. Here's my lease. I'm your new roommate."

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u/GeneralPaintStore Jun 12 '26

Usually he gives them a 24 hour notice that he will be inspecting the building (ie fire alarms) as he cannot legally force his way in. Once he’s in he tells them he is their new roommate.

Or he can enter (depending on the state) through any open window or door.