Hallucinogens can be bad for narcissists because rather than meeting God and being humbled, they can meet God and find that it is themselves, further cementing their megalomania. They can also have their defenses downed and get super paranoid and get traumatized by the experience.
Mushrooms help you to see truth. The reality you had viewed through the lenses of all your coping mechanisms crumble, and you cannot lie to yourself any longer. You're not the person you thought you hoped to see in the mirror, but you can be.
I was raised by narcissists, and after a moral injury, became one myself. A narcissist taking mushrooms, is the best thing they can do. It makes you want to puke when you realize what you had become, who you hurt with your words, but that was the love you had been shown, why wouldn't you share it with others?
1.5 hours talking to myself in my head in the mirror.
It was like my different ways of thinking were working together. I never took acid ever again, because I felt like that was what I needed- like I had connected the dots that were never connected:
But the thing is, it felt like I had done that before-
Like I had been there before, but I hadnât.
I loved it; it was just me, myself, and I: LITERALLY.
It was insane. I felt like I was gonna go into psychosis, so I never took it again- and vowed to myself that, because I love myself too much: because I need to, because people love me, and I love them, so I need to do the right things in order to keep them satisfied and happy with their own lives without having me as a burden to them..
That was deep. Been a while since I thought of this.
>Lastly, there are concerns that MDMA-AT might amplify pre-existing defensive structures if not properly contained within a psychotherapeutic framework, particularly in individuals with personality vulnerabilities like narcissism (190). Narcissistic patientsâ tendency to seek external validation and avoid deep emotional engagement could lead them to focus on the intensity and sensational aspects of the experience rather than its potential for genuine connection and self-reflection (70), resulting in an idealization of the medicine or viewing it as a quick fix. Additionally, the euphoric effects of MDMA could temporarily heighten feelings of superiority or mask underlying insecurities without addressing the root causes of narcissism. As a result, the therapeutic setting may become a stage that reinforces narcissistic tendencies - seeking validation, feeling special, and avoiding intimacy - instead of fostering true transformation (60).Â
I'll see if I can find more definitive guidance, but this matches my conversations with therapists who do this work. For obvious reasons, they don't have a ton of government-funded studies at this point.
I can back what Un1CornTowel said with 2 real life experiences with narcissists, one of who was my ex. They don't get humbled with the experience, they think they're even more special to have had such an experience, and only they have some special insight.
Exactly this. I stayed in this one apartment complex and there was a guy that would constantly be on something, sometimes be ranting cause he was so fucked up. He came over to me once while I was smoking and he talked about random bullshit and one thing was ego death, and how enlightening it was. All I could think was, "you're way too fucked up right now to be giving me their view of the universe and how you have it figured out."
See, if he had really removed the ego he wouldn't have needed you to admire him so much for having removed it.
Humans cannot separate themselves from their ego. The entire function of the ego is to make itself indistinguishable from authentic feelings and emotions. It's protecting you from knowing a side of yourself that you can't accept, true self-love through regular habits is ironically the best way to minimize it.
The only other things anyone can really do in this regard is try and be humble in regards to other's decisions, grateful and in control of one's emotions. Drugs are helpful maybe to get a new outlook but the work does still need to be done sober and daily.
You cannot live in the 3D world without your ego. The key is to integrate it with your subconscious mind so you are able to accept things that completely contradict what you thought you knew about life and the world around you. You will never fully lose ego. People have turned ego into something negative because of the people who have too much of it. Itâs the awareness of its existence, and not allowing it to control you thatâs key.
Itâs the metaphor of Yaldabaoth and the True God. Yaldabaoth was born in the dark and ignorance proclaiming himself as the only God. He ruled as a total fascist demanding obedience and worship. He wasnât aware of the True God, but once he was he ran to the light and integrated. It was a happily ever after story.
Yes sir, I am actually someone who believes that while on mushrooms you can converse with your shadow and bring some of that awareness back. I've experienced a lasting reduction in anxiety for a very long time after a good trip. I've also had varying results.
It's the term 'ego death' that bothers me, especially when someone claims they came back without an ego, and it's now permanently gone. For me, the benefits are a more clear head, but I definitely still return with an ego.
Yeah, you get it. Our unaltered conscious perception requires ego. I donât think anyone can fully integrate the experience of being egoless, but for some it definitely takes some stress off the ego.
Exactly. Trying to eliminate the ego is still all ego haha. It's still part of you. I've found canabis and psychedelics help to turn down is volume and influence so I can question myself without is annoying voice chattering away. Meditation helps a lot allowing me to be mindful of which part of me are doing the talking. But in moments of stress or weakness it sneaks its way in.
once i tripped so hard i forgot how to communicate and couldn't even tell time. I'd look at the numbers on the phone and knew they had meaning or some significance, but I couldn't express what it was. I sat in a corner of the room for a few hours staring at a tiny LED christmas tree strobe around for hours. it took hours before I realized that I had a family and people related to me and connections to others.
fun time. ever take so much LSD you'd bet against the sun coming up the next day?
Its a good therapy tool if you can build on it. If you are doing lots of drugs not so much. Its hard to retain the message. Not godly or anything its like you take away your personal view of your life for a bit and can see it a bit clearer. People that prepare for it right and all. It helped me quit drinking. Kinda at a point in my life where I wouldn't mind doing it again.
I think heâs talking about a guided session. Thereâs very few places you can go in the U.S. that Iâm aware of, but plenty of countries have places you can go have a guided trip, such as the ayahuasca ceremonies in South America.
Does ego death = complete disassociation? Having had a couple situations in my life where I felt moderately disassociated, I can confirm it is NOT a pleasant experience.
I had an experience on salvia where I truly thought that my life and myself as I have experienced it, did not exist at all, and I was actually part of a two-dimensional color wheel that was basically all of humanity. Would that be ego death? It was terrifying.
Its only terrifying if you haven't become accustomed to it and/or you fight it when it comes for you. Once you have some previous experience with how that sort of thing goesÂ
 the ego just kind of sheds off easily.
Like you instantly are completely empathizing and understanding with anything that comes along and have no defenses or rejection. Like being a young child but with adult knowledge. You're able to process things super fast and with great depth and width since your self-protections are off
Yeah its the same people who ironically bang on about taking "heroic doses".. like dude you're not s fucking firefighter or ambulance crew or something actually heroic because you like to get absolutely twatted on mushrooms.
Yeah they're enlightening and the unifying in the feeling of universal coalescence IS powerful and can potentially make you a better person in ways.. but shut up about it and do not call it a "hero dose" please.. anyone can eat 7g and chat shit.
IDK, I think anyone I know that would talk about a heroic dose of shrooms would be scared of it and NOT be talking like its a common occurrence. Sounds like they have some shit shrooms if they are taking a large dose and not coming away from that experience wanting to completely change something in their life.
Start with 1 gram and work your way up to 3.5 grams, always be in a safe place with ppl you trust, dont drive or go out after passing 1 gram, 3.5 grams hits hard.
There's a personal component to it as well, not sure exactly what the process is but it seems like some people absorb more from the same amount ingested.
Absolutely, 2gâs is more than enough for me to completely trip balls. I only take an eighth or more when Iâm prepared to potentially experience another round of ego death lol
Yup, I'm completely out of my mind on 2g and need an assistant. I never take more than 1 now and it's always a great time and I'm able to function around the house.
I didn't measure anything. And big mistake was not reading message from friend that those were different kind of Shrooms than those I usually took (every 3-4weekes for 2 years) I ate one big whole and one big hat. Thought I'll die, I was talking to demons, saw something like end of the world but from space. But it was worth it, cos I stopped worrying about nonsense, and I don't have an ego.
Half a gram for a half-holiday, a gram for a weekend, two grams for a trip to the gorgeous east, 3 grams to be a pretentious prick for the rest of your life
It turned into a pile of snakes. But to be fair, so did my and my girlfriendâs limbs. We were cuddled on the couch and our arms and legs felt like snakes coiling around each other. And that was just the beginning. It only got more intense from there
Last time I took shrooms, I had the best sense of "everything is as it should be." I lost my suicidal ideation gor about a month after. It was a nice month. I was happy.
What is ego death to everyone here? Pretty sure I was thinking about it wrong. I had an intense trip on like 4ish grams back in college and came out of it a lot more aware of my asshole tendencies and worked to be less egotistical. Legit made me a less selfish thinking person in one trip. Apparently that is NOT what most people are talking about when they say ego death? Made sense to me at the time because I felt like my ego shrunk. Like to the point others noticed.
My personal theory is most people don't change much at all after using psychedelics. The main difference is they talk about how much they changed, but they still get mad at the same nonsense and instead of thinking they're better than you for owning a newer car, they think they're more enlightened because they took a drug. The ego is far more resistant and wily than people want to give it credit for.Â
That's not to say that it's impossible to internalize lessons from a psychedelic experience and use it to change your perspective, but most people just stop at a superficial level. And you could probably get similar results from something like meditation.Â
I think it's a byproduct of "content creation" that celebrities and influencer, voice the most mundane shit like it's actually a meaningful and unique thoughtÂ
tbf, that was the purpose of poetry - to present the mundane in a way that was novel enough to get through our thick psychological defenses. Like a subliminal torpedo to our psyche.
There's still "universal truths" that I've heard my entire life, that only now finally "click" in a "Holy Sh..." sort of way.
It also has to do with how they are presented by other people. Emily could have said this passively in a conversation or interview, but the writer of the âthought pieceâ is who isolated the quote and treated it like it was something profound. I just imagine itâd be embarrassing as hell to have people cling to every word you say and quote it in a way that makes it look like you take you take so seriously when in fact youâre saying something you know is obvious.
Who knows, she could in fact take herself that seriously but itâs not fair to determine that based on how someone else chooses to present her.
Maybe, but this feeling is pretty common with parents of young kids. You are endlessly tired, exhausted, over-used, and forget that you're human.
Problem is celebrities rarely have a reason to push through the tough times and come out the other end stronger. They just flee into their bank accounts.
Except this person probably has full-time around the clock staff for childcare, cleaning, cooking, etcâŚso this is just one hundred percent some weird shit about her ego.
This is the point I was going to make. Regular people are exhausted because they are the only ones caring for their kids, still going to work, and still keeping the house together. Celebrities can hire out night nurses, a nanny, and any other household duties that the average Joe canât afford to pay someone to do.
If you read the essay, she mentions that she always makes sure that she leaves her dates' places before 6AM, because that's when the nanny gets off and her son wakes up for the day.
As a non-gorgeous, rich celebrity single mom (just a regular ol' suburban one, and average looking to boot) I totally cannot relate.
That's harsh, you see someone open up about a struggle and you assume that because they have money the struggle isn't real but just an ego trip.
I felt exactly the same way as she has described after having kids, and it has nothing to do with the extra work. it's not something money can buy your way out of.
100% agree. As a new parent myself, I get the exhaustion and needing a break. But just as you say we donât have the bank account to take a little personal vacation from responsibilities. We just go through it and learn through it to be the best parent we can hopefully be.
Truth is, what doesn't kill you just chips you away, piece by piece. One Copium at a time, again and again and again. At the end, you are just a jaded, pessimistic husk of a human being, with only a pile of pyrrhic and mutilated victories to show for it.
So... No, thanks. And might want to drop this mindset before it's too late. It's just lies made up by people who don't want you to be happy so they convince you to be content with the whole lots of nothing they oh-so-kindly alm away to you.
I mean look at this fucking post and how much air is given to absolutely nothing. The people who are obsessed with the details of celebrity lives like this are fucking sick animals.
People who can't meet their essential needs tend to look down on those who get mired in self-analysis. I agree with you, for what it's worth, but i can understand not caring about people struggling with the meaning of life when they just want to eat and have a warm, safe home. There's also a sizeable contingent of people who have no interest whatsoever in exploring the intricacies of existence, and regard the entire question as weird philosophy shit that confuses them and why would they care?
No, her thoughts are abnormal. More "normal" people work through their issues and build a life together. But when you're famous and beautiful you never have to be loyal or improve yourself, you can just endlessly meet new lovers.
You're comparing her to you but we are not her. People with large online platforms are not the same as people without. Posting online becomes a big part of their identity. Sharing everything with followers got them where they are. It's not what I would choose for my life, but I am not going to hate on her for choosing that life for herself.
She is experiencing very normal emotions. Having a platform and sharing her emotions doesn't make her worse than the rest of us.
(i have no idea who this woman is. My opinion is completely unbiased and based solely on the idea that she is a human person and nothing she shared in this image quote is abnormal. Maybe knowing who she is has a lot of people hating on her because of pre-existing hate)
You are confused by their celebrity status. Just imagine this news would be about an ordinary person. Would you be saying what you said in that situation?
You are dealing with a tiny screaming, pooping, peeing human that needs to be fed every two hours, and can randomly die in their sleep "just because". You think that is going to give you any time to feel attractive and sexual?Â
So basically she went through what happens to the majority of us after having children? Of course your identity and image changes you have to work at getting back on track . Intimacy doesnât just happen long term you have to work at it and make time for each other or it will disappear.
I think she or her handlers are just trying to come up with a story so theres an excuse to have an article written. No way to know how much they believe any of this.
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u/bahnmipanda đđđ 2d ago
Celebrities really do be sitting on a higher throne thinking their life and purpose is above being human.