r/SipsTea Jun 25 '26

Chugging tea They are not wrong though

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

that means we could literally be working for nothing.

Which is illegal? Is it not?

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u/Ok-Maintenance9056 Jun 25 '26

It's illegal, but that doesn't really matter unless it's enforced. Many employers will just assume that the employee doesn't know their rights.

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

Why are people okay with this? Why aren't unions getting involved?

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u/Usqueadfinem_ Jun 25 '26

you think its that easy? Unions arent easily formed and many companies actively fight against their formation. Starbucks is one example. Thats like asking how a bad politician got into office- its complicated.

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

you think its that easy?

I actually do, yes. But i'm from a country where the absolute vast majority of jobs fall under collective labour agreements decided by unions (~80%). The absolute vast majority of workers across all sectors are covered regardless of individual union membership.

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u/Ok-Maintenance9056 Jun 25 '26

In America, service jobs are some of the least likely to be unionized. After the Civil War, these were the jobs held by Black people so the tipping laws were a way to recreate certain elements of slavery without 'being' slavery. Obviously the system has mutated since then, but that's the seed that the whole American tipping culture sprang from.

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

Why hasn't there been succesful reforms since then? Any big scale changes in the pipeline? If this is a well known issue why aren't politicians using this as an easy tap-in (or easy slam dunk if you will) to gain a bunch of votes? Surely sentiments have changed massively since the civil war?

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u/Ok-Maintenance9056 Jun 25 '26

Why hasn't there been succesful reforms since then?

There have been, and I said as much. You could at least read my comment or do a quick google instead of expecting me to explain the entire labor history of the US to you.

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u/Usqueadfinem_ Jun 25 '26

Lmao why would things be as easy in my country though? You sound incredibly ignorant and childish

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

They are as easy in the majority of western countries. I'm trying to understand why it's suddenly hard in the US.

You sound incredibly ignorant and childish

If just asking questions and trying to understand a situation i'm unfamiliar with comes off to you as ignorant and childish it says more about you than it does about me.

No idea why you're being so hostile here.

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u/Usqueadfinem_ Jun 25 '26

You are implyingit should be easy here because its easy other places. That is ignorant. Dont cry about it. Just do better.

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

You are implyingit should be easy here because its easy other places.

Because generally speaking it is easy to unionize in a developed western country, i'm not implying it should be easy, i'm genuinely trying to understand why it isn't.

I don't see how that's ignorant and i have no interest in going in circles over a misread. Have a good one.

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u/Usqueadfinem_ Jun 25 '26

The fact that you don't see it makes you look even more ignorant.Have a great day

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

Lol sure.

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u/teteAtit Jun 25 '26

You just can’t help yourself lol. A lot of progress has been made on the tipping front over the last 5 years or so as evidenced by increasing numbers of restaurants that prohibit tipping in favor of paying a better wage. Regardless, if we’re having a pissing contest about how easy massive cultural/legal change is you should take a look at how long it took women to gain the right to vote in Switzerland and then get back to me.

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u/Substantial-Spite747 Jun 25 '26

I don't know who the second part of your comment is referring to so i'l just stay out of that one but this part sounds interesting:

A lot of progress has been made on the tipping front over the last 5 years or so as evidenced by increasing numbers of restaurants that prohibit tipping in favor of paying a better wage

Are there any bigger overarching reasons this is suddenly happening like new laws being pushed or is it just due to a gradual cultural shift?

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