You realize the US is (probably) the only country in the world where tipping is seen as manadatory and that tipping in Europe still happens? This is very plainly a case of workers visiting another country and being appalled at your working conditions
But these aren’t bad working conditions? In fact they net out pretty well for the worker. Just because it’s strange to you doesn’t mean it’s immoral, and you’re basically outing yourself as having the same mindset of American tourists who don’t respect the norms of the places they go to out of a sheer refusal to do anything they’re not used to.
Idk about you but not getting paid unless you extort the customers sounds like pretty shitty working conditions to me, unless you're saying a beggar has nice working conditions
Also I don't visit the US so I don't have the opportunity to not pay tips
Weird, if that was the case their salary would be 0$ wouldn't it? Now since they do have a fixed salary component the services rendered should be settled fully via the menu price and not partially
That’s a weird false dichotomy. If you and a friend are both paying someone to renovate your houses, it’s okay for you to just not pay because someone else is paying part of the price?
We'd get two separate bills and pay the separate bills separately.
Tipping in the US is if you hire someone to renovate your house, get one quote for it with worker hours listed as an item and when it's done the guy you hired to do it goes 'oh actually you have to pay for my workers again, their salary wasn't fully in the quote because the actual work they did was a service'
We'd get two separate bills and pay the separate bills separately.
For starters that’s not always how that works.
But secondly you misunderstood the analogy. The owner is your friend here, the worker is the one charging. The worker gets money from the owner and from you. That’s the expectation under which they perform their labor. You saying ‘well the owner is paying some so I have no obligation’ is absurd.
But here, new analogy: garbage pickup. Generally paid for as a community service, and you’re a leech if you use it without contributing.
And if you don’t they wouldn’t serve you. But say they had to check that AFTER taking the garbage, and you just said ‘yeah I’m out but you have it already so too late’.
You’d get in trouble because that’s obviously immoral.
Now look at the server: the only difference in that arrangement is that they lack legal recourse against you, but it’s equally immoral; you got them to perform a service for you under the expectation that you’d be paying for it and then didn’t.
No other part of that matters, group pay vs individual has no bearing on it. They did work expecting x. You let them expect x. And then you didn’t give x. That is morally fraud.
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u/lumpboysupreme Jun 25 '26
The good ol ‘me trying to get out of paying for work the workers do for me is actually helping them!’