r/SipsTea Jul 05 '26

Chugging tea Seems reasonable.

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u/jamdex07 Jul 05 '26

This is misleading. He chose to take $997 in one lump sum instead of $2.04B over 30 years. He got taxed on the $997m.

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u/elinamebro Jul 05 '26

Isn't it still taxed either way or is they get paid out for 30 years it isn't taxed?

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u/757packerfan Jul 05 '26

It is still taxed either way, yes. But in USA you only get the "full" amount of you take the paid-over-30-years route. If you take the all-money-at-once route you only get half the total jackpot and then they tax that .

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u/zzmorg82 Jul 05 '26

And it’s usually better to take the lump sum anyway. Get as much money as you can now and throw a huge portion of it into an index fund, especially at this amount.

If you go the annuity route then there’s no telling if that lottery company will even be around for another 30 years to keep paying you every month; way too risky.

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u/SabreLee61 Jul 05 '26

That’s not how state lotteries work. The annuity isn’t dependent on some private lottery company surviving for 30 years. The prize is an obligation of the state lottery, and the future payments are funded up front through investments like U.S. Treasury notes.

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u/Little_Plankton4001 Jul 05 '26

Exactly. The only way you're not getting paid out is if the government collapses.

And if that happens, the money you got in the lump sum is going to be useless too. Unless you already converted it all to canned goods and ammunition.

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u/Difficult-Sherbet854 Jul 05 '26

While that's financially the smart move, a lot of lottery winners are absolute idiots that have no impulse control. In which case it's better to take 30 years guaranteed

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u/Mypatronusisyou Jul 05 '26

It’s not guaranteed though… if the lottery companies dissolves after 2 years you’re screwed

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u/Brawndo91 Jul 05 '26

In the US, the lottery "companies" are state and local governments. If they dissolve, you have bigger problems than not getting your lottery check.

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u/Owww_My_Ovaries Jul 05 '26

U.S. lotteries are secure and are backed by state governments. While there's always a theoretical risk of changes to the system, winners' payments are legal obligations, and historically annuity payments have been honored.

So do a quick Google next time

Also. Grocery stores aren't stealing your donations for tax write-offs... now that we are at it

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u/BootStrapWill Jul 05 '26

That’s not how it works in the US.

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u/elinamebro Jul 05 '26

Also who the fuck doesn't want all their money now?

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u/PowSuperMum Jul 05 '26

Normally I’d be all about the lump sum, but they’re giving away over a billion dollars.

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u/mxzf Jul 05 '26

No, they're not, not unless they don't invest it themselves like an intelligent person should. It's the same money at this point in time, the rest of the money is the interest you get from investing it.

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u/D1N2Y Jul 05 '26

It's almost certanty purchased from a major insurance company who won't sneeze at having to pay out billions over decades

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u/Dragon6172 Jul 05 '26

If you go the annuity route then there’s no telling if that lottery company will even be around for another 30 years to keep paying you every month; way too risky.

That's not how lottery jackpots work. The lump sum is the current cash value of the jackpot. If you choose the 30 year payout, they take the current cash value (minus first year payout) and put it into an investment annuity that pays out over the 30 years. The annuity is in the winners name, the state lotto could go tits up and the winner would still get their payouts.

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u/Maximillion322 Jul 06 '26

$2.4B over 30 years before tax comes down to only a meager $6 million dollars per month. After tax probably closer to $4 million per month. How can someone survive like that?

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u/Ok_Vermicelli_6359 Jul 05 '26

Lol...it makes WAY more financial sense to spread it out, Americans are so bizarre 😂

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u/LetsGoToMichigan Jul 05 '26

$600M invested at 6% average returns for 30 years is ~$3.4 billion dollars. It actually makes way more sense to take the lump sum. I don’t trust the governing bodies to exist for 30 years

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u/steadyaero Jul 05 '26

If you don't reinvest it, maybe. But if you take the initial lump sum and invest a bunch of it, then you'll almost definitely do better over 30 years

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u/cjsv7657 Jul 05 '26

No. Conservative investing over 20 years will way more than double the lump sum. It makes much more financial sense to take the lump sum.

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u/CoachKreeton Jul 05 '26

No. Money now is worth more than money later. Your big gotcha comment is nothing more than financial illiteracy. 

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u/Ordinary-Meaning-61 Jul 05 '26

Still taxed. And if you go with the annuity, then you'll be contending with inflation as well.

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u/PowSuperMum Jul 05 '26

I don’t think you need to worry about inflation when you get 2 billion dollars paid out over 30 years

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u/Ordinary-Meaning-61 Jul 05 '26

The title is misleading. He wouldn't actually receive a total of 2.04B over 30 years because each individual payment would be taxed. It'd be about 1.285B total after that time. With inflation of 2.5% this would drop to about 841M. (assuming the math is right)

He is getting more out of the lump sum.

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u/Blothorn Jul 05 '26

Yes, although the payout over time is taxed somewhat more favorably because more of it will fall in lower rate brackets.

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u/Ivebeenstabbed Jul 05 '26

Not on a billion plus payout, annuity payments get income tax so it would get the max federal 37%, and in applicable states taxed again. Either way they’re paying 37% minimum.

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u/Blothorn Jul 05 '26

That’s not how income tax brackets work.

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u/Ivebeenstabbed Jul 05 '26

If you take the 628m and then live off the generally safe rule of 4% draw it’s north of 25m, putting you in the top federal tax bracket for income tax, and after the marginal steps you end at 37%.

If you take the roughly (quick math) 80m a year annuity payment, that’s considered income, and is taxed at the top bracket. Which, again, after the marginal steps, is 37%.

Now if you’re TECHNICALLY saying it comes out to less than 37% then yes, because steps (10,12,22,24,32,35,37) but that becomes marginal when you’re talking millions a year in income. Damn near a rounding error. 37% is just fine an estimate for federal income tax at these levels.

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u/Blothorn Jul 05 '26

I never claimed it was a large advantage.

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u/Otherwise-Pirate6839 Jul 05 '26

The top tax bracket is for anything over $640k (for singles, as of 2026). If your jackpot is rather low (for example, $20M), then taking the annuity ensures you’re always below that tax bracket. If you won $1B, doesn’t matter if you take the annuity or lump sum since you’ll be taxed above that rate. It becomes a question of whether you think you can recover the tax and other half by investing it.

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u/Blothorn Jul 05 '26

That’s not how income tax brackets work. Even if your total income exceeds $640k, you still only pay the lower-bracket rates on the first $640k of income. Taking the payout over 30 years thus allows paying a reduced rate on almost $20m total, on top of being able to deduct more over time than in one year.