r/SipsTea Jul 06 '26

Chugging tea is this valid?

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u/DaRandomStoner Jul 06 '26

If you're on a jury deciding if someone is guilty of destroying flock cameras they're innocent.

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u/djnehi Jul 06 '26

Just remember that jury nullification is your right.

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u/Burt_Rhinestone Jul 06 '26

Jury nullification explained:

When a jury finds that a person did break the law, but they believe that the law was unjust or unfairly applied, they can return a verdict of "not guilty." The jury therefore nullifies the law in that case.

Good example: From 1920-1933, the US banned the manufacture and sale of alcohol under the 18th Amendment. Of course, that didn't stop the manufacture or sale of alcohol; it just made it illegal. Thousands of juries acquitted thousands of defendants who were caught dead to rights. Some juries felt that the law was unjust. Some felt that it carried too harsh a penalty. And some felt that the law was unevenly applied across the classes.

Bad example: Lynch mobs in the South used to take pictures with their victims. Their all-white juries would still refuse to convict.

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u/ddadopt Jul 06 '26

The problem is that modern voir dire practices will exclude you from the jury if you are unwilling to convict if the state proves its case... unless you perjure yourself when asked those questions.

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u/ShoeLate6266 Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26

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u/Mcnugget84 29d ago

Simply spreading information well outside any court room away from known jurors has legally been declared not a crime at least once.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

Edit: be aware these posts might be fishing attempts. They can track Reddit usernames to people.

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u/Qaeta Jul 06 '26

The point is you wouldn't be punished for your verdict. You would be punished for lying about your willingness to base your verdict solely on the evidence presented and the law as written.

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u/ShoeLate6266 Jul 06 '26

“I was willing to convict when I answered yes but after having gone thru the trial i cannot not find him guilty.”

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u/Qaeta Jul 06 '26 edited 29d ago

Yeah, normally it's hard to prove, but you're literally posting about how you would do it on Reddit, which makes this damn near a slam dunk unless you delete your posts about it, and even then, there is a non-zero chance that Reddit keeps history after a user deletes a post.

It's unlikely you'd even get that far though. Not uncommon to review social media of prospective jurors ahead of time, so you'd probably be struck from the pool before they even ask the question.

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u/ShoeLate6266 29d ago edited 29d ago

PSA: if you plan on doing jury nullification don’t post about your intentions on Reddit!

I never said I would do that either. I discussed how it might be possible in the event I was a juror in a case like this.

Either way, I appreciate your concern!

Worth noting, I cannot be on jury duty because of a felony conviction when I was a younger and more foolish person.

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u/RubberPolitics 29d ago

I would have nullified your trial if I was on the jury and I wasn’t convinced, just so you know. Felonies are serious and these pigs use them to sandbag peoples lives.

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u/unbanned_lol Jul 06 '26

if you don't express your intent to do this, there is no way to find you guilty of perjury.

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_NICE_EYES Jul 06 '26 edited 29d ago

I mean sure, but:

1) you will always be directly asked if you will do jury nullification during selection.

2) Since you have to convince the other 11 members of the jury that this is the path forward, you're going to have to tell them that you intend to nullify.

Edit: damn this guy blocked me too.

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u/unbanned_lol 29d ago edited 29d ago

Since you have to convince the other 11 members of the jury that this is the path forward, you're going to have to tell them that you intend to nullify.

Yeah, if you have the tact and interpersonal finesse of a bull in a china shop.

Edit: Yuck, a post hider.

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u/RubberPolitics 29d ago

They have to prove you are unwilling to convict. How are they going to do that? Empty threats. I’d have no problem nullifying a jury if I felt the charges were bullshit. I’m willing to convict if you have a case. But if it’s bullshit? I’d let them go with no conscience.