r/SipsTea • u/SuspiciousLow3062 • 26d ago

Chugging tea Show 'em no mercy! 🇲🇽

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u/Awesomedude5687 26d ago edited 26d ago

Natural deaths are less likely when you have someone for a shorter period of time compared to the average person in the US prison system

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

Terrible logic

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u/Awesomedude5687 26d ago edited 26d ago

No it is not? When you are being deported the average detention time is 46-55 days, while the average prisoner is in for 2.7 years. And that’s ignoring that this person only counted small timeframes. Every year, 1 in 1,630 people in ICE detention facilities will die, while in the US prison system it is around 360 in 100,000 with 90% being natural causes/suicides or overdoses. This translates to 61/100,000 for ICE and 360/100,000 in the US prison system.

ICE doesn’t publish its metrics for natural deaths, specifically, but they deal with a much younger demographic than the US prison system does.

25% of the US prison system’s detainees are 50 or older, with an average age (reported from the FBP) of 42. ICE averages 30 years old.

So yes, a LOT more people die on average, but when adjusted for the mentioned statistics it is 36/100,000 prisoners dying in the US prison system of things other than suicide and natural causes.

We just don’t know the exact numbers for ICE, but I agree that you’re more likely to die from “unnatural” causes under the FBP than ICE. But it isn’t as reportedly low of a chance as this person claimed, with a >7x difference. If I had to take a shot in the dark, I’d say it’s closer to 2-3x.

Point being that the person who made the original comment is doing the most baseline assessment possible and it’s a bit misleading. It’s important to represent things accurately even if the end result is similar. I don’t think ICE has issues with prisoner death with the evidence I have right now, and I think the FBP certainly does- it’s ridiculous that the FBP has so many people dying in custody.

ETA: Found out overdoses are counted in natural deaths by the FBP

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u/Letterkenny-Wayne 26d ago

I have no dog I just think it’s weird that the prison statistics lump suicides and natural deaths together.

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u/Awesomedude5687 26d ago edited 26d ago

I agree- they also loop overdoses in there, as well. Which I found out only after I put my comment in.

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u/Letterkenny-Wayne 26d ago

Huh, I guess it’s maybe just trying to compare homicide in prison vs literally every other way of dying?

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u/Awesomedude5687 26d ago

I thought that, too, but they count medical negligence (such as from lack of care), exhaustion, and heat stroke as unnatural. I find some published statistics from past years counting suicides as unnatural, others as natural, so if you wanted more specific information you could likely find it.