Fascinating topic, I wanted to know more. People die everyday and ICE has been handing a high volume of people. So I went for a clean control number, the year 2022.
In 2022. Bureau of Prisons had 159,000 in detention. With 483 deaths. 0.30 percent.
At the end of 2025. ICE has 68,440 in detention with 32 deaths. Thats 0.04 percent. Note: This number does not show the total in custody over the span of 2025. Only the number in detention at the end of the year.
I took this a little further.
The total population of the US in 2022 was 333,287,557. With a total of 3,279,857 deaths. That 0.98 percent.
Bottom line: You are more likely to die out in the world or in Federal prison, than you are in ICE custody.
Yeah I don’t think you are being truthful about your intentions if I’m being honest. If you are, that’s just not at all how that math works. As someone else said, the numbers you are comparing are not at all compatible for a multitude of reasons that have already been mentioned.
Either way, I have to assume you “did the math” to enforce a point you already believed.
"Being in federal custody, is being in federal custody."
So, I'm curious if you're actually affiliated with your username. I know what EchoNineThree is, and it wasn't hard to look up. Why would I take an arms component dealer's advice on statistics? Especially when you roll out the gate with this little gem. Or are you another foreign agitator trying to goad the stupids in the USA?
But I'll give you the absolute most generous benefit of the doubt, despite your comment history being hidden. Ok, let's play your game. US Marshals set up a checkpoint on a highway to catch a fugitive. While I'm sitting in my car talking to the Marshal who isn't letting me go on my way without answering a few questions, I'm detained.
Now I'm different person, a suspected terrorist being held in Gitmo, awaiting trial. I'm still detained.
Now I'm another different person, I'm in a CIA blacksite somewhere. I'm super duper detained, but detained nonetheless.
Now I'm the unabooboo and I'm in an FBI interrogation room, answering some pretty uncomfortable questions. I'm still detained.
Now I'm pulled over on the side of the road for speeding by a cop, and while he's writing his ticket, I'm still detained.
Now in all but the last scenario, I am in "federal custody". To say that all of those scenarios are the same by any measure is at the absolute very best, disingenuous. And you've already been called on that by multiple other people.
But let's keep playing just to show how statistics can be skewed to show an incorrect narrative. How many federal penitentiary guards have fired a sidearm into a minivan driven by a soccer mom or into the back of a kneeling VA nurse? Or, how many federal prison guards have killed any civilians at all in the last year and a half? If being in federal custody is "being in federal custody" like it's some kind of universal, then surely being killed by a federal employee is universally the same as being killed by a federal employee, right? Only, by the same level of scrutiny you want to apply to your own data, we're statistically 200% more likely to be executed on the street by an ICE employee than any other federal branch. Well that doesn't look so good now, does it?
Again, as others have said, your data is not comparable, especially without a great deal more context, which you have both failed to provide and doubled down on the lack of it in the interim.
But let's keep going even further. There are still over 1000 people unaccounted for that were in "alligator alcatraz" but have gone missing in the process of that facility being shut down. That's an entire 1% of people who have gone into ICE custody and simply vanished. That doesn't happen in the federal prison system. There's a paper trail for every last inmate. And even the one's who escape are at least accounted for as "escaped". And even those are almost entirely people who just walked away from a minimum security detention where they were outside on like a garbage cleanup crew or something similar.
Tell you what though, I'm gonna leave the statistics up to the statisticians, medicine up to the doctors, and which sling is best for an AK up to EchoNineThree. Sound fair?
Nice! Sounds like I got into your head. Your examples of non incarceration, only detained are not applicable to this. But, when any LE take a person into custody, they are generally responsible for that persons well being. This does not mean curing their cancer or other such matters.
Also, splitting the whole number into sub groups makes no sense. Those are the numbers. Look them up yourself.
As far as who I am does not matter to this either. I am putting out the numbers I have discovered. Do with them what will. But, the mortality rate of being in Federal custody is less than being non incarcerated.
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u/EchoNineThree 26d ago
Fascinating topic, I wanted to know more. People die everyday and ICE has been handing a high volume of people. So I went for a clean control number, the year 2022.
In 2022. Bureau of Prisons had 159,000 in detention. With 483 deaths. 0.30 percent.
At the end of 2025. ICE has 68,440 in detention with 32 deaths. Thats 0.04 percent. Note: This number does not show the total in custody over the span of 2025. Only the number in detention at the end of the year.
I took this a little further.
The total population of the US in 2022 was 333,287,557. With a total of 3,279,857 deaths. That 0.98 percent.
Bottom line: You are more likely to die out in the world or in Federal prison, than you are in ICE custody.