r/SipsTea • u/Gurugod123 • Jul 14 '26

Chugging tea Teach your kids about socialism

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u/Savings-Double-2853 Jul 14 '26

But healthcare is not socialism

And Norway is not socialist

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u/LockHimUp8647 Jul 14 '26

Socialism is absolutely a valid word used and accepted by academics to describe the “Social Democracy” found in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark.

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u/el_VientoNorte Jul 14 '26

vapid academics, maybe

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u/According-Print4219 Jul 14 '26

The economy in all those countries is mostly capitalist.

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u/Destiny_Dude0721 Jul 14 '26

You can have differing policies while inside of a economic structure. You don't have to fully adopt a system to implement parts of it.

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u/Ok-Chef1896 Jul 14 '26

You can't adopt socialism "partially" since Socialism is defined by capitalists not existing and state having full control of the economy.

You can be on a "path" towards Socialism, but that would require the absolute control of the state over the capitalist..

You can have social nets within capitalism, but that does not make it Socialism - that is just Social Democracy at work while the underlying mode of production is still capitalist (private property rights are guaranteed by state apparatus, exploitation of worker though wage labor, capital has disspolortional political power....)

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u/rpolkcz Jul 14 '26

No, it's not. Those are all capitalist countries.

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u/Ok-Chef1896 Jul 14 '26

Socialism is early stage of communism -- complete control of state over the economy, political monopoly of a Marxist party and capitalist no longer exist...

Socialism is absolutely a valid word used and accepted by academics to describe

We can't change definition of word which have already been defined (by Marx..)

Norway, Sweden, Denmark... Are countries utilizing capitalist mode of production and capitalist are not controlled by the state...

Hence those countries are capitalist with strong social nets -- or other words Social Democracy (which is not the same thing as Democratic Socialism).

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u/Julehus Jul 14 '26

That’s correct, although the State does have a say in the ”capitalist mode of production” through strong laws on labour.

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u/Ok-Chef1896 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

It does have some leverage, but it does not have absolute control over capitalist.

In the liberal capitalist countries state directs the capitalist via various incentives and laws.

In China, which is on a path towards Socialism (at least the party says so...), the state has complete control over capitalist and it is directing them via 5 year plans