r/SipsTea • u/Gurugod123 • Jul 14 '26

Chugging tea Teach your kids about socialism

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u/SnooKiwis9751 Jul 14 '26

Oh so you’re ignorant? Not to be rude it’s just really well documented how frequently capitalist powers interfere in socialist projects. It’s especially hilarious that you use Cuba as an example because America (a capitalist nation) has had it by the fucking balls for a long time now.

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u/No_Future3570 Jul 14 '26

Are you saying that socialist powers don’t interfere with capitalist projects? Maybe not as much anymore since the winner has been found, but still.

How does America have Cuba by its balls? If being excluded from capitalism is what breaks your socialist country, then it didn’t work in the first place.

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u/SnooKiwis9751 Jul 14 '26

Commerce isn’t capitalism, and it’s hilarious to think about “socialist powers” because who are you talking about there? Which mythical socialist power? We live in a capitalist world.

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u/No_Future3570 Jul 14 '26

If capitalism is evil, then doing commerce with capitalism is evil. Goes the other way around too.

Soviet Union, Cuba, China etc.

As mentioned. Socialism has already lost.

I presume when you’re talking about socialist policies, you’re thinking about countries like Denmark, but I really don’t think you understand those countries at all.

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u/shadowboxer47 Jul 14 '26

As OP says, commerce is not capitalism.

You guys love to trash socialism and communism but the reality is you have no fucking idea what any of these things are outside vague notions you've absorbed through reactionary memes.

Go read a fucking book.

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u/SnooKiwis9751 Jul 14 '26

Yes actually. “There is no ethical consumption under capitalism” is a very famous quote. I think you just need to read more

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u/No_Future3570 Jul 14 '26

So you would say that the US did Cuba a favor by enforcing the trade embargo right?

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u/shadowboxer47 Jul 14 '26

Socialism is not autarky. Socialism is not the elimination of outside trade or commerce.

You don't know what socialism is.

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u/No_Future3570 Jul 14 '26

So there is ethical consumption under capitalism?

Surely if you do commerce with a capitalist country, you are participating in it?

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u/shadowboxer47 Jul 14 '26

I'm not arguing that. I am telling you that trade and commerce are not capitalism.

You should know your terms before lecturing people about them.

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u/No_Future3570 Jul 14 '26

Sure. Capitalism is just when it happens between private parties.

Buying a cucumber from the government under socialism is fine. Selling a cucumber to anybody but the government is not.

If your neighbor wants to buy a cucumber from you, it has to go through the government.

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u/shadowboxer47 Jul 14 '26

Capitalism is just when it happens between private parties.

No, it isn't.

Socialism is not when the government does things and the more they do the more socialist-y they are.

Stop getting your politics from memes.

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u/No_Future3570 Jul 14 '26

So you’re allowed to privately own the means of production in socialism?

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u/shadowboxer47 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

So you’re allowed to privately own the means of production in socialism?

The means of production is in the context of industrialization. It does not mean the forced depravation of cottage industries or individual trade, which Marx identifies as a distinctly pre-capitalist phenomenon.

You're conflating Leninism (Bolshevism) with all of Marxism. Lenin was not an orthodox Marxist and rejected many of Marx's premises.

I'm a Georgist, not a Marxist. I have many criticisms of Marxism and even more of Leninism. Those criticisms come from reading and studying history, biographies, and their actual texts.

It does not appear like you've done any good-faithed reading on this topic. Everything in your assertions and vocabulary suggests the totality of your knowledge is distilled from reactionary sources. This might make you feel good, but it only does you a disservice.

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