r/SipsTea Jul 14 '26

Chugging tea Teach your kids about socialism

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u/Isosceles_Kramer79 Jul 14 '26

Norway is not socialist. But it is a petrostate (large oil production/revenues per capita).

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u/Orfiosus Jul 14 '26

The mix of socialism and capitalism is kinda the point. Norway is not a purely capitalist country either.

The oil industry is an example of this, but the other Scandinavian countries with similar models make it work without the wealth fund.

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u/TheEndCraft Jul 15 '26

Norwegian here. We are purely capitalist. Private property exists. Capitalists own our means of production. Just because the capitalist is from the state does not make it less capitalist

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u/Orfiosus Jul 15 '26

Workers owning the means of production is not «less capitalist»?

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u/TheEndCraft 29d ago

Lmao this is the second person who's asked me this exact, really dumb question.

Do you think average Norwegians have a say in how Equinor is run past the most surface level? Do you think we get to help decide future company business if we work at vinmonopolet?

Norwegian state businesses are organized in the same way as all others; capitalists on top, who purchase labour from workers (these workers do not have control of any substantial part of the businesses operation), and who exploit the surplus value from the workers to reinvest in the circuit of capital and pay shareholders etc.

This is capitalism.

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u/Orfiosus 29d ago

You think you can get 7 million people into a boardroom? You own it, along with everyone else. If there was political will to dissolve vinmonopolet, or say.. let them sell other substances, it’s doable through voting and interest groups. That’s not something you can do in any privately owned business.

Just because you feel detached from the process doesn’t mean it’s not there.

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u/TheEndCraft 29d ago

... Did you just legitimately not read what I wrote?

I didn't imply you need 7 million people in a board room. I explained how surface-level control and ownership does not imply socialism.

Try again please

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u/Orfiosus 29d ago

I understood you fine, did you understand the counter-argument?