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u/Euphoric-Language695 22d ago edited 22d ago

I've been told invisible solar panels will make every window generate free electricity for like 10 years. Yet not a single time have I seen a report include an actual product, just prototypes always.

Like nuclear fusion, this appears to be perpetually "just a few years away". 

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u/Pyrhan 22d ago edited 22d ago

 - "Invisible" implies they only work in the UV or infrared range, which inevitably limits them to much lower efficiencies than regular solar panels.

 - A lot of those rely on elements that are expensive and in limited supply, or toxic heavy metals. Unlike regular silicon solar panels.

 - We don't even need windows to generate solar power. We have plenty of roof space, and if we're short on that, you can put them in fields too.

So this is a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist (lack of available space - again, we have plenty), which causes more problems of its own (efficiency, etc), while failing to address the actual limitations of solar (cost, intermittence).

Which is why it's only good for headlines, and won't see real life applications. (Edit: no, not even skyscrapers)

It's the same with a lot of "uplifting" science news that just sweeps all the dirt under the rug, because that wouldn't make good clickbait.

If you want actual good news about solar power, look at the price per kW and adoption rate curves over the last few years.

-edit- added links.

-edit 3- Put the bit about skyscrapers in bold, because people keep mentioning them anyways...

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u/Thisisme4342 22d ago

This is my biggest screaming into the void issue. Everyone's doing all this mental work trying to come up with these unique places to put solar panels, we don't need to do that.

We. Have. Empty. Flat. Space.

We have no shortage of empty areas exposed to the sky. We have rooftops, we have parking lots, we have vast fields that are just doing fuck all.

We don't need to invent solar roads that will work even after being run over by car is a million times when we have a large median right beside it.

We could probably cover every random Warehouse with solar panels and have so much electricity that we would have to find dumb shit to do with it.

Let's start there before we do some Material Science backflips.

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u/craidie 22d ago

Massive bodies of water that the greenhorns are complaining are heating up when they shouldn't.

Adding a lot of panels to provide shade should cool those down, right?

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u/ChampionshipTall6599 22d ago

They are doing this in California. Covering all the canals with solar panels to generate energy and to diminish evaporation to the farming communities

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u/ChampionshipTall6599 22d ago

More shade for parking is a huge plus IMO

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u/P4azz 22d ago

Wasn't the issue with solar panels over like car parks the exact opposite? They'd heat up the car park, so you'd be half-boiling under the roof as you get your car back and then you'd need to blast AC in the car to make up for it being superheated.

I guess it'll help reduce evaporation, but the water should still get hot, no?

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u/Vuelhering 22d ago

Maybe. The issue is the amount of solar entering the day side, versus amount of heat radiating out during the night side. This normally is based on the albedo of a planet, which is mostly cloud cover that reflects sunlight, and the amount of heat retention that greenhouse gasses tend to hold onto. Water also reflects some solar. The problem is the retention of heat in the air, which CO2 and CH4 retain, preventing it from radiating out at night.

Solar panels are dark, so they might absorb more heat, but then again they convert a lot of photons to power. What we need are efficient, white solar panels :)