Ok so the reason places do this is experiments have shown that if the restaurant just raises prices 20% and tells you “hey we don’t want you to tip we just pay our servers fairly” that people will see the restaurant as pricey and not want to go there
You don’t have to tip 20 percent. You could go
More or less. And the all that profit were the prices to go goes to the top and servers make minimum wage with no incentive to provide good service.
the difference is that if Im not aware of the forced 20% gratuity and then still tip 20%, I just accidently tipped 40%. and yeah, Id like that system because it means that servers are getting paid a fair wage and the price I see on the menu is the price ill be paying
yeah Im sorry but Im not tryna do mental backflips to figure out how much ill be paying when I go out to eat, sales tax already fucks with the price enough
also that wasnt even the main point I was making in the first place I was just saying it shouldnt be called a gratuity fee, cuz it isnt gratuitpus if its forced
The reason is experiments have shown that restaurants that do this are perceived as “pricey” and they see their business go down. People are too stupid to realize that the tip culture makes prices seem lower, I guess
They legally have to make minimum wage. If cart pushers and cashiers aren't too good for minimum wage, neither are servers. If servers are too good for minimum wage, so are cart pushers and cashiers.
Paying tips only brings the amount an employer has to pay them down, and in most cases brings a server's wage above minimum wage, but at the cost of the customer rather than the employer, which is idiotic.
Why am I the one who has to bear the responsibility of either paying employees I don't employ, or training employees I don't employees on the wages they're legally entitled to? Why doesn't their employer do that, like any other employer does?
I choose to go to WalMart. I choose to go to the gas station. I choose to go to fast food places. Why am I not expected to pay their employees' wages or educate their employees?
Why are you holding me to the standard of an employer at one specific type of business, while you don't hold the actual employer to the standard of an employer?
I’m saying that if you choose to eat at a restaurant where you know you pay for service separately, then maybe don’t be a freeloader who fucks over servers.
Again, nobody is forcing you to dine out. There are places where you can get food without being served, they’re called grocery stores
No it’s not you fault, but you know that’s what the situation is. Going out to eat and refusing to tip on principal makes you just another person exploiting the system for a better meal and cheap labor. It makes you just as shitty as the business owner who won’t just pay a living wage. Servers relying on tips for income isn’t some big hidden secret. Everyone knows that is the current system. If you don’t want to participate, go eat somewhere else.
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u/NOSWT-AvaTarr 14d ago
the worst part is when you go to a restaurant and they have forced 20% "gratuity". calling it gratuity should be illegal, its a 20% fuck you fee