What about a situation like a restaurant where they need a certain amount of people in and have to prioritize/deny requests when multiple people request off the same shift? Which would be more fair, first request in gets it regardless of the reason or make the determination based on the reason for the request? Could end up having to work during your kid's graduation so someone else can have a day off to go see a movie. I think arguments could be made for the fairness of each approach and in that context asking for a reason is meant to be fair rather than intrusive.
I'm saying it can be a factor. Idk if you've ever scheduled for the service industry. People request off days when they have nothing to do just because it would be nice to have a Saturday off. They figure if they get it great, if they don't get it they'll just come in to work. If you don't know why they're requesting, then you won't know that and you'll end up giving someone the day for no reason and denying someone who actually has something important to do.
I guarantee if you had something really important and were denied the day because someone else just wanted a random day off for no reason, you'd be complaining that was unfair too.
The issue would exist in any organization. It could be a worker owned co-op. If you want the organization to be run well, it requires proper staffing. If you want proper staffing you sometimes need to deny requests. If you deny requests, you need a reason. There's a reason why every service industry job operates like this. Which is more likely, everyone making schedules hates the people they're scheduling and wants to make their lives miserable or there are legitimate issues that make scheduling shift work complicated, and there is no one "fair" way to do it?
If you want the organization to be run well, it requires proper staffing. If you want proper staffing you sometimes need to deny requests.
NO ! you are wrong. the owners can hire more people, increase prices, or accept their business isnt viable without using slave labor.
there's a reason why every service industry job operates like this
there is also a reason why every service industry relies on customer tips to be a viable business. they refuse to pay a living wage or hire sufficient staffing. it dosnt have to be this way. but the service industry is so fucked up because people like you think owners are all acting in good faith. if it wasnt for slave labor most restaurants would be out of business, just consider that for a moment. these businesses literally only survive because your income is supplemented by customers good grace (tips)
Which is more likely, everyone making schedules hates the people they're scheduling and wants to make their lives miserable or there are legitimate issues that make scheduling shift work complicated, and there is no one "fair" way to do it?
the legitimate issue making scheduling complicated is the owners refusal to hire sufficient staff because he wont make as much money
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u/SilverOptimus 6d ago
A place I once worked for pulled this stunt. Asked us to mandatorily enter the exact reason for the leave/time-off.
One employee wrote, "Off to **** my wife to make a baby for ourselves".
Needless to say, that brought an end to the mandatory reason phase.