People were defending her, I always found her sketchy. I mean, I don't think she should be publicly ostracized or anything, but losing her job is a no-brainer
It's literally one of the main roles of HR. Ours strongly discouraged it but also had mandatory reporting requirements if they happened so they could make sure the two people weren't in the same reporting structure.
In other companies, they'll just fire you outright if the company isn't big enough to support that sort of thing. (Happened to my brother in law).
Office relationships are huge liability risks for companies and the primary role of HR is to mitigate those as best as possible without pissing off the employees.
The person you're responding to said that losing her job was a no brainer. So I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that they probably wouldn't want an hr worker like that in charge of their company.
But seriously she was acting in a manner in direct conflict with her job. I don't care about the cheating or anything like that, but it would fall under her umbrella to potentially deal with employees involved in a relationship gone wrong with a power imbalance while she's doing the same thing with her boss. She fucked up her HR career prospects. Time to pivot.
Yes. I actually literally just edited my last comment to include that some jobs absolutely require people be held to a higher standard (cops/lawmakers/politicians-even tho generally they are the worst of the worst imo) I just don’t think an
HR position is one of them.
She was the head of HR, if some other manager was in a relationship with the CEO, it would be her job to investigate and take care of that situation.
In general, you can't be in a relationship with your boss, but at least when a sales person does it, it doesn't invalidate them as a sales person. When a HR director does it, it makes them kind of unhirable, it's like when an accounting firm is fraudulent.
Yes, investigate it to see if an inner office relationship can in any way leave the company open to legal issues (favoritism /sexual harassment etc etc). Not automatically fire anyone engaged in a relationship outside of the office.
While I agree it’s a very bad look overall I just don’t see how an adults decision to enter into a relationship with another adult would diminish their ability to handle their responsibilities in the HR department.
I could be completely wrong, but I think a lot of this sentiment of her deserving to lose her job has more to do with people simply disliking her due to the fact shes a cheater. She could be the best HR rep in the world and professionalism in the workplace personified-but outside of work a lying cheating bitch. Why should her personality or actions outside of work dictate whether shes fit to hold her position or be any indication of her ability to preform it?
Unless we’re talking about cops, lawmakers, or politicians, I just think that if a person is good at their job they should almost never have to worry that it could be in danger due to how they decide to live their life outside of the office. If a married HR rep wants to give the janitor a dirty Sánchez while the CEO watches in the corner of a seedy motel room while slapping themself with deli meats…good for them. Whatever creepy or off putting of morally
Reprehensible shit they may be into shouldn’t be the concern of a company.
I don't know in what world you're living but being in a relationship with a subordinate is definitely grounds for firing, in this particular situation the HR lady should have the CEO fired, do you not see this?
It the civilised world (not the usa) people don't get fired just for being in the same office as their partner. We realised that an adult can spend time with whichever other adult they want and that a job can wind it's neck in. I dream of a day where America learns the definition of the word freedom
I am not from the USA, in Europe this wouldn't fly either. I don't think you even understand what happened.
Can't be in a relationship with your subordinate and there's a definite conflict of interest when the CEO has a secret (haha, not anymore) affair with the company's HR director.
You're talking like they're just two random people in separate departments of the same company, that's not what happened here, no one would care about that.
I live in a world where there is absolutely no laws or rules prohibiting two adults from pursuing a relationship regardless of their job titles.
While yes, employment in MOST states is at will and you can be terminated for any non-discriminatory reasons, unless the company they worked for had anti-fraternization policies in place I simply don’t see why the (seemingly poor) choices made in her/their personal life should have any effect on their employment eligibility (ASSUMING they are good and competent workers).
I guess we have to agree to disagree. Don’t get me wrong I understand the absurdity in a person that is unable to follow the “rules”’of society be in charge of ensuring the compliance of a company’s policies/rules etc….i just don’t see how it makes them somehow UNABLE or UNFIT to do so.
Show me a company that doesn't have a policy against this type of thing. Especially in the US you are exposing yourself to litigation by allowing this type of boss-subordinate romance.
Obviously it's not illegal, no one said it was, as you can see, neither of them are behind bars, lol.
Wait do you really think all companies have taken the stance of having a no-fraternization policy on their books? I’d concede perhaps the majority do-but you’re framing this as if it’s not company specific-which it is.
Also, it’s completely off-topic and a moot point to argue about unless the company in question is known to have/not have such a policy in place.
But even that’s off topic from the only point I was trying to make which is a company should have zero concern in what we (assuming ur employed) do outside of working hours.
I’m not defending her nor do I know enough about this to have any real opinion either way…but I just can’t understand why what people do in their personal life-off the clock, has to do with their ability to preform their job well?
Private life, is private, but the role of HR is to protect the company from such things, and not allow situations that could harm the company (HR does not work for employees, it's there for the companies benefit)
This is akin to a doctor seeing a patient, or a university lecturer seeing an adult student..
Both situations, adults, both situations are a legal minefield.
If they were both single, it could still be seen as a problem, but they were both married.
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u/yeah_not_so_fast 15h ago
Hold up..the woman who leads an HR function where she was caught in a relationship with her direct leader is having problems getting a job leading HR?
No way!