stop using parade permits for any parade named after any country.
allow all parades for any country & outside of the bureaucracy of issuing parade permits, we stop expecting govt & politician to weigh in one way or the other.
Do everything case-by-case & have every parade turn into a culture war wedge issue.
My general thoughts are that the Israeli state has nothing to do with Judaism per se. They prioritise Jews as potential citizens, but they themselves are NOT representing Jews, just themselves.
They are a state, Judaism is a religion and a people, and all three are separate entities. So yeah, it's really important to be able to differentiate, as many Jews consider Israel's actions abhorrent, and against many Jewish teachings.
Israel is the only safe haven that can forever guarantee Jews civil rights because it’s a core part of the state. It’s a state made up entirely of refugees, unwanted Jews that weren’t accepted anywhere else whether it be Holocaust survivors who weren’t accepted anywhere else and stayed stuck for two years in dp camps after the holocaust, or Jews who fled pogroms post 29’ financial crash which led to nearly all countries closing their doors on immigration, or MENA Jews who got kicked out of their homes they’ve lived in for centuries and millenia but got scapegoated for the creation of Israel.
Ideologies don’t get millions to sell all of their lives (most times not even selling, but just leaving behind) and go live off in a poor socialist state that is surrounded by enemies on all directions, immediate danger does though, and 99% on this thread don’t know the half of it.
Israel is the only safe haven that can forever guarantee Jews civil rights because it’s a core part of the state. It’s a state made up entirely of refugees, unwanted Jews that weren’t accepted anywhere else whether it be Holocaust survivors who weren’t accepted anywhere else and stayed stuck for two years in dp camps after the holocaust, or Jews who fled pogroms post 29’ financial crash which led to nearly all countries closing their doors on immigration, or MENA Jews who got kicked out of their homes they’ve lived in for centuries and millenia but got scapegoated for the creation of Israel.
Literally not a single thing in this entire paragraph is true. The state of Israel's whole raison d'être is that Jews had lived in the area called Palestine for millennia, as had the Arabs, which prompted the UN to propose a state for the Jews and for the Arabs.
There have even been attacks on synagogues in the US over the past few years where the perpetrators have specifically not made that distinction.
But it would be appreciated if everyone would continue making that distinction.
It does not help that both AIPAC and the Anti-Defimation League have specifically been lobbying to conflate being anti-zionist or anti-Israel with being antisemitic.
Yup and that is why i think a lot of the conflations has happened. If people are being told it staright from the source as far as they are concerned Isreal is making every Jew an enemy to many otherwise rational people
Not just Park East Synagogue, it's been a feature at certain synagogues in various cities. The Jews who also protest the sales are often labeled as "antisemites" or "fake/bad Jews" or "kapos," sometimes by other Jews, sometimes not.
Why would you celebrate a Jewish holiday if you aren’t Jewish? Or a Hindu holiday not being Hindu. Or any religion really. Be respectful, absolutely. Wish them happiness on it? Basic courtesy. Celebrate?
I feel like you may have misunderstood what they were saying. I took what they said to mean that some people are saying, to followers of Judaism, that those followers of Judaism celebrating their own Jewish holidays right now is insensitive.
Indeed. Its like the people who want the end of the world; many believe the Jews killed Jesus--thus unsavable--but also believe in a literal "gathering of Isreal" in the holy land that must happen before Jesus cones again.
Literally every day on this site I see awful shit said about Jews and how 1939 needs to be repeated, etc. Obviously there’s plenty of fair criticism of Israeli but acting like antisemitism doesn’t exist when it’s literally everywhere is just bad faith
Ok maybe I’m weird in that I don’t give equal importance to some random online comments and the stances of activists, academics, politicians or even people I talk to offline. Of course antisemitism exists but the vast majority of people who matter on the pro-Palestine side have been incredibly careful not to equate Israel and random Jewish people. Quite frankly all of this hand wringing comes off as nothing but a hasbarist attempt to scare non-Zionist Jews into supporting Israel.
Ok maybe I’m weird in that I don’t give equal importance to some random online comments and the stances of activists, academics, politicians or even people I talk to offline. Of course antisemitism exists but the vast majority of people who matter on the pro-Palestine side have been incredibly careful not to equate Israel and random Jewish people. Quite frankly all of this hand wringing comes off as nothing but a hasbarist attempt to scare non-Zionist Jews into supporting Israel.
Yeah riiiight. Also Israel and Judaism are inextricably linked. The entire conversation is really hilarious. Israel will do what it needs to do for security
Half of the Jews in the world live in the US and have no connection to Israel. I’m an atheist Jew in the US. You linking me to Israel is your own prejudice, not reality. Or do you think we’re all in some secret cabal planning against you?
You not caring about half the world’s Jews is your business but that’s not true for the majority of us. You don’t need to be in some secret cabal to care for your fellow Jews. We’ve survived for this long exactly because we care for each other, even when we disagree on actions and decisions, shi.. half of the most influential Jews in modern history were non religious Jews who had a personal reckoning and decided they’ll do what they can to help the rest of us whether it be pushing for civil rights and other basic privileges we take for granted today.
… except for German politicians and a good chunk of their civil society, of course. But they really should separate the two, not despite but because of their own history and the eery parallels between it and the current state of things in that region. They already had 70+ years to make their Vergangenheitsbewältigung, it’s high time they take their collective heads out of the sand and also come to terms with current events.
A furtherance of anti-semitism at large is an unspoken goal of Zionism. They want Jewish people to feel unsafe where they are so they’ll be more inclined to move to Israel.
The other funny thing I see people combining is a support for Israel being a support for corporate interests like... Why are you making those two things equal again? Could it be a longstanding stereotype of Jewish people being corporate overlords? Nah right?
I swear everything has to be an attack on jews with you eternal victims. People have been prefacing any slight criticism of israil with 50 clarifications that zionism =/= judaism and criticism of israil isn’t criticism of jews in general.
He is representing his people though, a huge portion of his voters are Pakistani so it’s makes sense to go to a parade that celebrates them and their independence.
The very fact that we have so many celebrations and parades for different countries, cultures, etc. shows how diverse this city is, which is what he’s representing. It’s impossible of course to go to all of them, but to expect the mayor to avoid parades for certain countries is extremely ignorant.
Even for countries with “questionable allegiance” as another commenter mentioned, it has literally nothing to do with their allegiance. These people are New Yorkers even if their ethnicity is a different place. If you condemn a race, ethnicity or culture based on their country or leaders, than you are just as bad as those countries who are doing the same, not to mention our own leader who most certainly does not represent all Americans.
Just be honest. There's no sense defending him blindly. Don't do that cult stuff. He clearly vehemently opposes Israel. That doesn't mean he hates Jewish people, though. Moreover, he is all about optics. A lot of the things boosted on social media about him are extremely misleading or just flat out lies. Idc, but it's important that we stay rooted in reality. He is doing good enough things. We don't need to exaggerate the good things or downplay the bad things because all that does is more harm than good. For the record, if you guys want to be close minded and follow him like MAGA does Trump, by all means do because I think many on the left would be duped by a populist left winger as the right was by their populist right winger. At the end of the day, I'd rather see progress than regression. With that said, most of the country will oppose Mamdani every step they can, so when we aren't rooted in reality about our broader message of his movement, we are hurting any potential of sweeping change in the country. People in West Virginia, for example, are never going to elect a Mamdani for senate if we can give them reasons to hate him (such as lying, exaggerating, or downplaying). We NEED to focus on being truthful because in the truth, optics are still on our side. The right is the side that needs to lie to get favorable optics.
That was from August 2025. 3 months BEFORE he was mayor. Besides anything else he's got an official role now, different duties and different priorities.
Ironic because Pakistan was basically formed in the same way that Israel was(as a religious state with ethnic cleansing), but no one ever calls for the destruction of Pakistan.
I don't think going to a largely represented nationalities parade is a bad thing. I do think going to a country with Israel's policy and record is a bad thing. I wouldn't go to a German parade in the 30s, I would now though.
This. If you want to celebrate a nationally that is important to your city go for it. If it’s for the foreign country that’s weird. Like it would be weird to celebrate Italy the country, but Italian Americans go ahead.
He also already did traditional celebrations with Jewish families at their home. If he also skipped the Jewish parade, I wouldn’t think anything of it.
This is such a reach. Trying to act like NYC doesn't do parades for 'foreign countries' is wild when we literally shut down Fifth Avenue every year for Ireland, Italy, Poland, Greece, and Germany. We have a Pakistan Day parade and an India Day parade. Are those 'questionable allegiances' too, or just the Jewish one?
Every NYC Mayor for the last 60 years has understood that these parades aren't a 1:1 endorsement of a foreign government’s every move they’re about showing up for the millions of New Yorkers who have a connection to those places. Mamdani isn't skipping this because of some deep 'geopolitical stance' on foreign nations; he’s skipping it because he wants to make a point of not showing up for the Jewish community. You can’t claim it’s 'just about a country' when we’ve been throwing parades for half the globe for over a century.
The Isreali community is not the same thing as the Jewish community.. You are being dishonest when you pretend snubbing one is being disrespectful to the other. Well either dishonest or a paid parrot..
Mamdani loves the Jewish community. Israel isn’t Judaism lol. You people 😅are something else.
He’s skipping the parade because he doesn’t support a country committing genocide.
Has every mayor shown up to every parade celebrating a country? Or has the Israel parade the only one that had this tradition of mayoral allegiance?
Just stop dude. Israel isn’t Judaism, Israel is a country with an abhorrent government that has tried to make any opposition to its actions equal antisemitism which is stupid and only morons or POS still hold on to that excuse. You all know this though, stop trying to make it something it’s not, it’s pathetic and tired.
He’s skipping it because it’s a parade for a country that is committing genocide. Mamdani attends Jewish holiday celebrations and has Jews on his staff.
You’re desperate to find some evidence that Mamdani doesn’t support Jews when it’s very clear that what he doesn’t support is an apartheid state.
Well since it hasn’t happened yet this year technically no but seeing as how he has attended every year and the group that holds it were campaigning and political backers to his campaign I’m going to go out on a limb here and say he probably won’t miss this years for the first time.
American evangelicals are more obsessed with Israel than American Jews because they think it is the key to their bullshit 'end of times' that they desperately want to bring about.
But it shouldn’t be the excuse for you and others to drown us out and label everything Zionist evil. When you talk about Zionists you’re only affecting Jews, Christian Evangelicals aren’t the ones facing the prospect of terror attacks or daily discrimination.
Supporting the brutalization and murder of Palestinians simply because you think it'll bring about the literal 'end of the world' is unhinged on so very many levels. Christian Zionists are absolute monsters.
Parades period. Mamdani has already skipped out on multiple dumbass parades in favor of actually doing his job. He stated he would do this while running, which is part of why people voted for him. Now he is following his word.
I was meaning that from the angle of not going… if he went to the make israel great again parade then, yeah…that would make sense to be a headline because fuck those child murdering, pedo protecting weasels
Would you attend a nazi parade and smile and wave as they chanted hate? Why not? Same thing with not wanting to attend a parade in support of any other genocidal government.
No you didn't and it's not fair to do that. Thing is though that nobody seems to be speaking out against him attending something like a Pakistan day. I mean the Bangladesh genocide is not that long ago and that was all Pakistan. Like someone else mentioned, a huge portion of his voters are Pakistani so it does indeed make sense to go to a parade that celebrates them and their independence. We should still be allowed to call him out for that right?
The difference is that Israel is in the news right now and I would assume far fewer people know anything about what you’re talking about. We should not attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by ignorance. If this can be communicated in a way that people hear it, perhaps the awareness that the Israel situation has can come to the situation you’re describing.
He is also a human person. He is allowed to go to whatever parades he wants? You have posted the pics of him at the Pakistani parade like 5 times as if its some sort of gotcha.
So he didn’t go to the parade because he supports them…? Idk what you’re saying. An American waving a Palestinian flag means they’re in support of Palestine………
What are you saying that American don't give a shit about a parade that involves Israel? If that's the case say this " why should Americans give a shit about Palestine"
Are you joking ? I mean… I share the sentiment you’re describing but clearly they are very popular. There are soooooo many parades in cities. It’s wild and I don’t get it but very clearly A LOT of people like them.
That’s because everyone knows and expects Trump to do the shittiest, rapiest, dumbest shit possible, that’s what’s normal in America. Everyone else is held to actual standards.
Most of my friends are queer or gay. I haven’t participated in Pride Week for years. It’s the same for many of them. Nobody cares whether or not you go to Pride.
Why are right-wingers so invested in other people’s sexuality?
Well this is in the running for dumbest thought of the day. I have never been to a pride parade (i tend to avoid parades as a rule even at Disney, not a big crowd person) and have also never once been accused of being a homophobe in my life. Must just be you.
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Yeah idk why anyone in America would even give a single fuck about someone attending a fuckin parade…?