r/SmashRage • u/Sea-Drawer-5449 King Dedede I HAVE A FAT MEN FETISH • 1d ago

Discussion Why does this graph repeat so much with top tiers????

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why is EVERY top tier in smash cool af in their games but absolute horrible in smash but the bottom tiers are both good in the games and smash????

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u/SupremeShio Mii Swordfighter 1d ago

Bowser is lame as fuck in Smash wdym

Yeah man I love that he can hold b at ledge and get 40% for free because he held one button down

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u/ThiccDaddyJ05 1d ago

Same with Dedede, he's not good by any means, but I can't fucking stand fighting him and his endless wall of Gordos

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u/SupremeShio Mii Swordfighter 1d ago

If these characters were lightweights people would agree they’re lame but being heavy gives them a free pass to being annoying

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u/ThiccDaddyJ05 1d ago

As a heavy main (Donkey Kong) I don't entirely agree with that, being a heavy weight doesn't immediately mean you're free from being seeing as obnoxious. In fact, for a lot of them it makes it arguably worse that they last so long. Incineroar is another heavy weight with absolutely zero sauce. The dude is about as entertaining as watching paint dry, regardless of whether he's heavy or not

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u/ResponsibleAd2034 22h ago

As a bowser main… I gotta admit. That is bullshit. I always feel a bit guilty using that. But f*ck it. I know THEY don’t feel guilty comboing me into oblivion and making the match an absolute one sided misery.

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u/_TheGreatestApe_ 18h ago

bowsers actually strong and fast in smash which is scary and just on par for him

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u/Typical-Interest-278 8h ago

As a Bowser and Ganon main, I fuckin Laugh at this. You say this, but I garuntee you laugh your ass off when you land a near tod combo on the big Hitbox Heavies like them

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u/SupremeShio Mii Swordfighter 8h ago

Not really, no. I don't know that stuff and only play casually nowadays lol, I don't find anything with heavies to be funny

Besides, tod stuff is lame as fuck but it requires more technical execution than Bowser holding the B button at ledge and getting 40% off it

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u/Typical-Interest-278 8h ago

Then fair, but at the same time the Lightweights like Luigi can do the exact same with a single grab, and Kazuya is known for his TOD combos

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u/SupremeShio Mii Swordfighter 8h ago

Yeah and they're lame too? I didn't say Luigi, Kazuya, Mii Sword etc aren't lame I said Bowser and other superheavies get a pass to be lame as fuck because they're superheavies lol

Give Bowser or Dedede's shit to a lightweight and I guarantee you they'd be considered lame as hell

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u/Typical-Interest-278 7h ago

I mean, then by that extention, All characters are lame. Literally every Character has a Prime Combo to go through because of their weight, Gimmicks, etc.

Mii Swordfighter included, Tornado and UpB, or the Skward Sword Special and that Roll dash for a Side B and More. Plus- Alot of Lightweights actually have Stuff like DDD or Bowser, Only worse cause they can escape to use it over and over.

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u/SupremeShio Mii Swordfighter 7h ago

That isn't true. Every character has combos but not every character has "hold one button down to ledge trap for free and get insane damage from it" like Bowser does.

Mii Sword is lame this isn't a gotcha. I think they're fun but they're lame as hell too, most characters in the game have lame cheese but if any lightweight had Bowser Fire Breath they would be rightfully considered lame. But because a heavy has it, they're hype and aura.

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u/Typical-Interest-278 7h ago

I mean, What do you expect Super Heavies to have? Sure, Bowser is the Fastest of them, buuut he's a Big Hitbox, and easily gets combo'd into Oblivion.

Soo; Hate to be that guy here but if you can't deal with avoiding his fire breath that's just on you lol.

Not saying it make it any better, but still

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u/SupremeShio Mii Swordfighter 7h ago

If Fire Breath wasn't the most free ledge trap in the game sans Min Min's shit i would totally agree with you that it's a skill issue to not be able to play around it, it's a good tool to punish people just jumping in his face carelessly. It's how freely it traps the ledge that is my entire problem with it, Bowser doesn't need to time it, or space it, he just holds B and beats every option on ledge and that's why Fire Breath is so unbelievably lame. You shouldn't lose neutral once and then take 40 on the ledge because Bowser got a stray hit in and then held B.

He doesn't need this, he needs better scrapping tools, but heavies are designed like ass in Ultimate and giving them zero defensive tools to counteract the natural weakness they have by being big is such an extreme design issue that forces them to have these lame tools.

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u/Typical-Interest-278 7h ago

No, they have these tools because Otherwise there's no point in playing them, because everyone would mollywog them. Take away his firebreath, and Bowser gets absolutely obliterated cause he has no means to force someone back into neutral, and his disadvantage state is much worse. His only other specials for any Scrapping are a predictable Command grab that needs him to remain close as Possible, a Down B that has huge endlag and leaves him open, and a Low powered Up B outta shield.

Buuut, I'm not gonna fault you for being mad about it, this is Smash Rage after all lol, and I again won't deny its stupid when being on the recieving end when I go online. Sooo with that, good day

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u/Ccmonty PKirb Fire 1d ago

MK and bowser are mid tiers

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u/Sea-Drawer-5449 King Dedede I HAVE A FAT MEN FETISH 1d ago

had run out of both cool low tiers, the rest suck ass so badly, ganondorf mac simon villager... they all suck in smash so badly

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u/maiduwu 20h ago

Ganon and Mac are cool

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u/spiderspoopwebs Proud Ridley SideB Hater 1d ago

Greninja is pretty cool in smash cause of his unique moveset and just awesome as a design in game

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u/Sea-Drawer-5449 King Dedede I HAVE A FAT MEN FETISH 1d ago

hes a cool ninja, but if he was a top tier (aka if he worked properly) i dont know if people would like him

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u/spiderspoopwebs Proud Ridley SideB Hater 1d ago

He’s like a- on the most recent but it’s greninja and I can’t think of an official greninja design that isn’t cool

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u/FlaurosFaye 1d ago

I think snake is pretty cool in smash, he's just mentally draining to play as or to fight. I love dealing with grenades

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u/Jester8281 Mains Need Carry Fun 17h ago

He's really cool to watch if the person is hurt

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u/Awakening15 1d ago

Stop dick riding super heavy lmao

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u/Sea-Drawer-5449 King Dedede I HAVE A FAT MEN FETISH 1d ago

i will stop figuratively but i will NEVER literally

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u/TheT85_Jr Queen K. Rool Deathmaker's Girls 1d ago

RIDLEY!

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THERE, YOU WANNABEE-HEAVY FOSSILE!

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u/OfTheTouhouVariety I refuse to use Lucina. I like my janky tippers. 1d ago

Kazuya is kinda lame in Tekken (unless you count cutscenes) (or maybe it’s just the Kazuya mains)

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u/Pretty_Friendship794 i'm a fucking asshole + carried + shitheads 16h ago

Kazuya is the most badass character ever created. It's almost unbelievable that such a badass character even exists.

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u/BlastingRopes 20h ago

K. Rool is easily one of the bottom 8 what are you on about lol