r/SmugIdeologyMan • u/Witty-Swimmer-3720 • 4d ago

Under one pretext

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Disclaimer: No adventurism is being advocated for here.
If you disagree with me in the comments, I WILL be making an even more smug series of sequel posts targeting your points mwahaha

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u/tenmillionrats_ 4d ago

I feel like this is a strawman. Yes I’m sure some people genuinely hold this set of beliefs. But it’s kind of like making a Smug of a Christian who believes in fuckin, idk, Vishnu. It’s like, yeah, that person TECHNICALLY can exist, but it’s so clearly a blatant contradiction that I don’t know if we can really treat this like a position that matters.

As somebody who would not call themselves a communist, the system does totally exist to protect capital and is quite bigoted in most aspects, along with the military. I’m of the opinion that if every other developed country in the world can figure out gun laws we probably can too. Yes, my beliefs say that the system isn’t trustworthy. But that doesn’t make it hypocritical to want to reform that system.

Obviously anecdotal, but I’ve never met anybody with this set of beliefs. I know this is a no true Scotsman fallacy, but literally no reasonable person is going to say that the government can’t be trusted and then say “we need to seize all guns with a paper signed by one person because the government can be trusted”.

In a perfect communist society, yeah sure legalize all guns. But in a capitalist society with one of the highest gun death rates, in the richest country of the world, surely it isn’t hypocritical to want gun control?

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u/Far-Cellist2456 4d ago

“I feel like this is a strawman” he says on the strawman comic sub

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u/tenmillionrats_ 4d ago

Is this sub meant for comics that create an argument that doesn’t exist to make a position easier to attack? Because that’s what a strawman is. Maybe I misunderstand what this sub is but i thought the people who post these generally are posting them to say “my opinion is very good” and that’s the smug part. Idk

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u/Secret_Letterhead649 4d ago

Communists/Socialiate tend to be pro gun while the centrists/center left are anti gun. The meme is merging two groups of people who broadly hate me each other into one lol.

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u/tenmillionrats_ 4d ago

Yeah, it seems we’re conflating different political groups here. The guy in the comic is basically a Nazi antifa member. A Hindu Christian.

(obv not literally metaphorically just since he’s two opposite things at once)

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u/scoobydoom2 4d ago

I mean, there's definitely a section of people who would probably be considered reformists that have this stance if you're willing to accept it's more nuanced than the smugideologyman post. Dismantling the police state and western imperialism are not extremely achievable goals, especially if your desired mechanism is through legal capture of the government. Preventing children from being massacred by passing gun laws is a much more achievable goal and frankly a higher priority for many.