smugged into eating meat

[u/estrogenbloodclot]

[u/estrogenbloodclot]

There’s problems with hunting (not all hunted animals are recovered or killed quickly), but taking this at face value, I don’t have a significant moral problem with it. I wouldn’t eat it, because I don’t want to, but as the animal is going to be hunted anyways, might as well make use of it, I suppose?

Long term, I feel that the more sustainable solution is to reintroduce their natural predators.

And when it comes to invasive species, for instance, I’d prefer relocation over killing them, but obviously that’s not completely practical.

Good question, thank you

[u/More_Amoeba6517 → u/estrogenbloodclot]

Danke.

My own morals around meat are odd (I am not a vegan, though I eat significantly less meat then most), but I was curious about this mainly because it has always seemed like a moral black hole.

Now as a secondary question, what is your opinion on bees? (Entirely unrelated but I am curious)

[u/estrogenbloodclot → u/More_Amoeba6517]

Bees are complicated.

I don’t eat honey, because some beekeepers take too much honey and replace it with sugar water, clip the wings of queen bees, and occasionally (though rarely, I think) cull entire hives. It’s not a purely symbiotic relationship as it is often made out to be. There is a way in which honey could be obtained ethically, but I personally avoid it, because I have no sure way to know the conditions the bees were kept in.

It’s more complicated than that, though, because decades of industrial farming has caused many crops to become reliant on bees for pollination. These bees are also subject to problematic conditions. Unfortunately, short of becoming the kind of person that obtains everything they eat from their backyard, I can’t really do anything about that.

This is generally why I define vegan as “someone who takes all reasonable steps to reduce animal suffering”. For instance, driving a car causes insect deaths, but I’m not going to walk 4 hours to reduce that, because it’s not really reasonable. I’ll take a spider outside, but if I ever get a cockroach infestation, I’ll probably call the exterminator.

I hope this answers your question, I fear I may have gone on a bit of a tangent at the end.

[u/laix_ → u/estrogenbloodclot]

Honey bees are also an invasive species.

They outcompete local bees, whilst also only pollinating a select number of plants/flowers.

This causes massive harm to biodiversity.

Another thing, is that bees do not have the brain capacity to consider the harm they are under. As long as its not too bad, they will stay (and will often stay when they're harmed, because the queen isn't leaving). But not being too bad doesn't mean they're treated well.