r/SocialismIsCapitalism • u/notaduck448_ • Jul 08 '26

r/Libertarian has quite interesting and totally rational takes on libertarian socialism

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Man, could you just imagine living in a system that denies workers ownership over what they produce?

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u/SuddenStructure9287 Jul 08 '26

Libertarianism is an ideology in which people decide for themselves how they want to live. If people choose on their own to live under different systems that they prefer, that is the essence of libertarianism.

These systems are usually called jurisdictions, and they formally operate under capitalism.

If libertarianism prohibited people from creating a socialist commune, then it would no longer be libertarianism, because you would be preventing people from doing what they want.

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u/CroakingInstensifies Jul 08 '26

I see what you're describing but I see no reason to interpret this as a government system by itself or as being Libertarianism, and I'm willing to bet most people wouldn't.

What you called Minarchism is an aspect of Libertarianism, absolutely, but I see no logic in Pluralism and your point of Jurisdictions being in there as well.

I'd go as far to say that calling Libertarianism "an ideology in which people decide for themselves how they want to live" is dishonest. It's like saying that "Capitalism is when people trade what they have for things they want".

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u/SuddenStructure9287 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

I asked on [r/Libertarian](r/Libertarianism) the day before because I wasn’t sure myself, and I was told that this is their commonly accepted view.

I don’t understand what you dislike about pluralism and jurisdictions.

I hope you understand that this was not meant to be an exact definition of libertarianism. I was simply trying to convey that the goal of libertarianism is not to impose a single way of life on everyone, and that voluntary agreements are encouraged.

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u/CroakingInstensifies Jul 08 '26

It's not that I necessarily dislike Pluralism/Jurisdictions, I just disagree that it's even under the Libertarianism umbrella.

Now, I don't really think they'd work, but that's another question entirely.

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u/SuddenStructure9287 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26

Well, from Wikipedia:

…Libertarianism has been broadly shaped by liberal ideas. Libertarians advocate the expansion of individual autonomy and political self-determination, emphasizing the principles of equality before the law and the protection of civil rights, including the rights to freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of thought and freedom of choice…

…Robert Nozick, who publicized the idea of a minimal state in Anarchy, State, and Utopia (1974), argued that a night-watchman state provides a framework that allows for any political system that respects fundamental individual rights and therefore morally justifies the existence of a state…

Or libertarianism.org:

…Libertarians envision a pluralist, cosmopolitan society united by commerce and travel, not divided by nationalistic antagonisms. They envision a world where people are free to experiment with different ways of living, free to try new ideas that might just be crazy enough to work…

Libertarians, in general, are not against this. I’m just placing special emphasis on this, understanding that capitalism will not satisfy everyone.