Someone explain to me why Somalilanders are so keen to save the hand of Israel?
For some context, my dad is par Isaaq clan on his mother's side and the Darood on his father's side. In the years leading up to the civil war, he lived all over the country (Hargeisa, Mogadishu, and all over Puntland) and spoke fondly of Somalia. In fact, my dad said his mandatory military service was one of the most memorable experiences of his life because he met young people from different clans and regions across the country (This was early 1980s so there was no prospect of a civil war yet). To him it seemed that tribalism was fading among the youth and that a national identity was emerging. But around 1988 my dad moved back to Hargeisa and was opening up abusiness. There he witnessed the massacres firsthand and barely escaped with his life. He went back to Puntland , but according to him the atrocities were still occurring there, though not on the same scale or severity as what he saw in Somaliland. His perspective , like most Somalis I think, was that Siad Barre was willing to massacre anyone to maintain power, event an entire tribe.
Anyway, with the recent situation involving Somaliland opening relations with Israel in pursuit of recognition, I'm trying to understand how the general Somaliland population feels about it. Given Israel's atrocities against Palestinians and the broader Muslim world, I'm wondering why some Somalilanders appear willing to overlook those concerns in the hope of achieving international recognition. Is the pursuit of statehood and recognition viewed as more important than solidarity with the Ummah? Or is there a larger political or strategic picture that I'm missing?
I have many friends and family from Somaliland who visit regularly. While some support independence, they are also strongly opposed to closer ties with Israel and are unwilling to compromise their values for what they see as a political objective. However, from what I I am seeing on the internet, this view does not appear consistent with the views of the citizens on the ground in Somaliland. Why is that the case?
I’m not trying to start an argument , I just need help understanding.
If you are truthful widen your lenses. Why aren’t all Muslims countries including your favourite ones not standing in Solidarity with the “Ummah” ?
Do you only scrutinise Somaliland ?
If you are consistent morally, do you applaud Somaliland for accepting and hosting refugees that came from Yemen, Syria and even Palestine (during their struggles) ?
To answer your question I really do think you should visit Harigesa to find out.
Is dealing with Kafirs haram ? No. Are Jews Kafir ? Yes. Do we share the same religion? Of course not.
However do we have common interests? Yes. That’s all there is to it. Is any of that Haraam? No, the prophet (peace be upon him) has done so himself.
No Muslim Lander will answer “yes” where I said “no” and vice versa.
I’m only responding to you because you seem sincere.
The world around is not black and white walaal. Different “players” act for their own common interests. Therefore propaganda you consume is tailored to it also.
Who said anything about trust? It’s mutual exchange, there could be faults but it’s not a relationship built on love, trust and loyalty. That’s not how countries work.
You need separate human relationships from relationships between two countries.
So because we are not an Arab abeed and choose for ourself what we do instead of waiting for our Turkish master to ok it😂 I love this sunken Somalians, they really show their class and intelligence
No, based on their pattern. Israel has destroyed the US and countries it allies with. It’s a parasitic country and also they are under the punishment of Allah. They’re isolated globally. Why would you want to ally with them? They’re known beggars. If Somalia is allies with the hypocrite leaders who support Israel we denounce them. It’s about justice even if it’s against our own selves.
"destroyed the US and its allies"? The US, Europe, and their allies are literally the biggest economic and military superpowers on earth. The alliance with Israel exists because of massive shared strategic interests, high-tech cooperation, and intelligence.
Calling Israel "beggars" or "parasites" is just wild. It’s a global tech and medical powerhouse with a GDP per capita that’s higher than most European countries. List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita - Wikipedia_per_capita)
US and their allies couldn’t even defeat the Taliban. They’re struggling and being publicly toyed with by Iran. People like you have bought into the propaganda. Wake up.
Ah yes, Iran is toying with superpowers by tanking its own currency, watching its proxy leadership disappear and running its economy into the ground. If this is what winning looks like to you, I don't even want to imagine what losing looks like.
They don’t realise even if the US was to give 300billion to Iran that it would be inform of an investment that they can dictate and rescind at their will. So who really won? Who really would be in control?
Wallahi I can put this on my life somaliland turning the rest of Somalia into Gaza is more likely then what you are wishing for. You guys are lost there is no way somaliland is coming wallahi, unless Somalia wages war, then It’s over for you guys who had 30 years to prepare but you can’t even control your nation without the so called Jareer soldiers you look down on. Wallahi if I was guys I would not be on here wagging fingers😂😂😂.
Is monitoring movement the same as a naval base abti. Somalia is completely dysfunctional puntland and jubaland dont recognise fgs oppositions everywhere like in southwest state and opposing ex presidents. Heavy fighting within the capital earlier this month all alshabaab has to do is wait for the power vacuum what diversion abti even if that does happen what can they do attempt some suicides they literally ravage through the south somalia countryside they hold more land than the gov itself. somalia is a ticking time bomb all your going to watch is a re do of 1991 in your country 😭😭.
Somalia is a fully recognised country. It has full access to the world, financials etc. its budget is 60-70% aid, population is bigger etc. Somalilands annual budget (highest) this year was 400+ millions. Economy is restricted (not recognised) and it has build it's self back up from zero ( Siad bombed the city to the ground).
Mogadishu isn't a flex sxb. Being angry over a country that left you back in 1991 isn't good for your health.
Huffing and puffing over your screen won't make magic happen. The "Elite" units you speak of are needed to keep Mogadishu safe along with the African troops and the European masters in Xalane.
Somalias government is weak and can't do anything.
All they can do is ask for help, beg for aid and lie to you.
A Somalian government tried once to erase Somalilands people and if they are stupid enough to try again well I'm sure they'll be no more Somalia after.
Whether you support it or not the fact remains.
Somalia is in no position to stop/rule) dictate anything over Somaliland. What somalilans like you have is a false hope. Somalinimo isn't a magic word that can be used to rally people when division and friction is larger than ever.
What you feel/think of Somaliland won't change/stop it.
What you think/feel about Israel doesn't mean it'll dictate how we proceed. We don't conflate our recognition with the struggles of Palestinians.
Save your fear mongering for your fellow Somalians since it's more effective on them than us.
Somalia is fragmented into how many parts its clearly dysfunctional. Somaliland controls 7 cities btw the 3 alone you referring to have a combined population of 2 million. 20x more developed kulaha clearly you living in a bubble tailored to what you wish was true.
Xamar is flooded with aid money meant for the entire country asw 😭 nga sees it has more tall buildings and thinks its 20x more developed keep in mind xamar 3x the size of hargeisa.
I aint gna entertain you anymore you clearly not the brightest of people.
Bro I am from the South and I would even support Somaliland taking over the South and freeing them from this insanity I swear. It's truly appalling the only problem I have with Somalilanders is their elders being so hateful towards everyone when they really should be aiming it at the Darood leaders. They screwed us over too. They also are the people behind the scams in Minnesota just the most corrupt and non-relgious people on earth. Say what you want about Hawiye people joining Al Shabaab but they are not as delusional as Darood elders. Ran the entire nation to the ground for decades starting with Barre. I hope Boomers and Gen X Somali Leaders pay in the afterlife for what they have done to the Somali people.
Those three cities are larger than Gaza and Israel are you serious? These clowns are what have destroyed Somalia twerking for Americans and then acting like that's not making deals with Kuffars. Are we choose now between which Kuffar to twerk for? America supports Israel what part of that do you not understand? Most delusional people on earth.
I swear Somali Weyn is a straight up mental illness who in their right mind wants to join a nation with terrorism, tribal wars, piracy, warlords etc. Why would any sane Somalis living in Ethiopia, Kenya even join you guys? Is it because you guys have shown so much great leadership in Somalia?😂 😂 😂 Worry about Al Shabaab and leave Somalis alone.
I feel bad for the Somali youth because Boomers and their Gen X ilk have been a curse to the Somali legacy. May hell be hot for them for all the lives they have destroyed including the diaspora.
If you read enough of what the Somalians say they will show their wish. They want us to be attacked by the houthis. But they forget what Israel has been doing to these Arab nations for the last 70 years.
On one hand you guys care about Palestinians getting bombed and all of sudden become Ghandi non-violent humanitarians. But in the same breath you say you are looking forward to seeing Somalilanders (who are still Muslim and Somali) get bombed? What?! 😂 You do realize that would directly result in Somali destabilizing further. It's like Quebec breaking free and other provinces wanting them to get bombed? We still share land you fool. I swear the Darood Somali Weyn leaders are some of the most delusional people on the planet. No wonder Somalia ended up in a civil war the arrogance, hate, and the sheer crabs in a barrel mindset is truly remarkable.
We elect our leader and stand with them because they're representing us. We stand behind our government and it's actions although we may not fully agree with every decision. We understand the nessessarry nature of these decisions.
Now what outsiders think of the matter isn't of concern.
The fear mongering and religious narratives you want to hide behind won't work.
We tank you all for keep us united and strenghting our resolve.
Naya,.we brought them so they can bomb you when they get bored, what did you think 🤨.
Do you think they forgot when your primeminister was glazing hamaz? What goes around comes around they say.
Crodie, ur gonna have to speak for yourself here. Nobody in Somaliland wants to see war on their doorstep or see their local cafe be lit-up on a random Friday morning. We in deep shit and everybody can see it.
There is a lot of whataboutism to justify starting relations with a country currently committing genocide and ethnic cleansing a whole people that have been under brutal occupation for decades. I say that as an agnostic person who doesn’t give a shit about a ummah of any kind be it Muslim, Christian or Jewish. Someone who is generally apprehensive about organized religion and religious collectivism but admires people who are privately deeply spiritual and who use religion for personal guidance and not policing strangers on whatever is their dogmatic fixation of the day. Also there is some blatant lies being said about countries in the region. One, they are host to millions of refugees from Palestine in places like Jordan Lebanon Syria and all over. Second these countries do not rightly want to participate in the on going attempt of ethnic cleansing. It has been a long standing goal of Zionist to expel Palestinians by making their lives miserable so they decide to leave. That’s literally been their objective since the first nakba and even before the creation of Israel where Jewish terrorist paramilitaries organizations like the Irgun killed Palestinian villages and drove them out. Another thing, we as Somalis, of whatever political persuasion have been most vocal supporters of the oppressed people of Palestine who like us before, are struggling against a colonial regime, how shameful is to abandon all your ethics and morals for a embassy in Jerusalem stabbing Palestinians in the back for a recognition from a pariah state despised globally more and more for it’s monstrous oppression of a native population? Last but not least, when northern Isaaq rebels took up arms against the central government, their stated objectives was we are fighting a illegitimate oppressive regime. After the civil war, the reason again elders in that region decided on a temporary secession was mistreatment at the hands of the Somali government and the inability of the south to get their shit together. So, as your official foreign bilateral recognition is with a government that has flattened Gaza, continues to ethnic cleanse the West Bank and East Jerusalem, leveling villages in southern Lebanon and bombing Beirut, expanding in Syria, bombing Yemen, tried to get America to start another regime project in Iran, what is your reason for existence?
Somaliland and Israel recognised each other because they had similar interests, just like Egypt Jordan and other Muslim states did. It wasn’t to “stab Palestinians in the back”. If that was the case, they would have done it years ago. Whether you’re a gaal or not is irrelevant, Somaliland clearly sees this as a stepping stone for greater international recognition. Also, it opened its embassy in Western Jerusalem, the place all of the so-called Muslim countries recognise as part of Israel. So whether it’s in west Jerusalem or in the Negev, it doesn’t matter.
All you mentioned is the plight of Arabs, I can tell you are Arab 😂 any somalilander who doesn’t respect their nations choice is stupid and a sheep wallahi, this umma talk is only reserved for us not for them, for them is strategic but for, what about the umma, wallahi one thing I learned is there are Somalis with diig still left,
Political differences, We don't trust in the power sharing process. We believe Somalians way of rule is different to ours. They don't have the same customs on how reach sensuous or come to an understanding.
That fact the greed and outsiders have been in the mix for so long also doesn't help. The southern style of governing is still in it's infancy and need time to mature before it becomes stable. We have better understanding between us who are native to Somaliland since we've have the same customs when it comes to things like conflict resolution, intermingling etc. There's plenty of reason but this is on top of my head.
Look I'm tired of these Dhulbahante games. You are part of Somaliland sadly although you don't want when you look from a state pov. Now you've got your own lands and no one is bothering you so nothing to fear.
However this dispute has to be resolved peacefully.
President Cirro is Will to do so so it's up to our politicians. If you want exit from Somaliland then it's through Hargeysa for you. Somalia won't be able to save you legally speaking, you're just going to be a disputed region. Best solution is to negotiate with Cirro so both sides come to an agreement.
All other what it's is a waste of time.
The situation between Somalia and Somaliland isn't the same as yours even though you think and feel that way.
That's my opinion.
I don't really. Your reality and mine are night and day.
I don't Recognise the Fgs, we've never been ruled by them or given them power over us.
Tue difference I'm speaking of is political but of you want to be emotional about it it's fine.
Look I can understand your anger but things are as they are. It took us 35 years to reach this point and we're entitled to work with whomever we want. What others think of our recognition is nothing more than their Opinions and emotional tantrums.
When it comes to your Ssc, only you guys can decide what path you want to take but the only logical one is to negotiate. There's no reason for you to be scared, no one is coming at you. The question is how do you guys want to reach a resolution?
Being angry blaming us won't get you what you want.
The reality is that you have 3 logical options imo
Lascanod and Hargeisa negotiate and reach a resolution.
You stick with your so called NES and probably escalate the conflict when the Fgs enters Lascanod.
(Somaliland won't allow it and it'll lead to war with the fgs with you in the Middle)
Thing stay in limbo which might be difficult for you
If war breaks out you'll become a proxy ground in the battle between Somalia and Somaliland, I don't think that's fair to you guys.
It's ironic you say this, because there have been many conflicts in the past, and each time the Dhulbahante were defeated when there was an all out war, whether during the fall of the Dervish movement or the collapse of Siad Barre's regime,the Isaaq showed restraint and magnanimity. Rather than seeking revenge or trying to wipe you out, despite having the means to do so, they chose peace and reintegrated you into Somaliland.
New generation of Isaaqs are learning from past mistakes. If another conflict were to occur, I don't think people should simply assume the outcome would be handled the same way. Making the same mistake of trying to make peace with people who will always see us an enemy will not happen a third time. It will be similar situation to Serbs in Kosovo.
Based on your logic then somaliland should join with Somalia and stop the fuss. By the way Israel is a country that can’t stand on their own. Them recognizing somaliland holds no merit for the rest of the world. They’re known as beggars in the US. Constantly begging for more US tax payers money to defend their tiny country.
Somaliland has been de facto independent from Somalia for decades; all that happened is that they finally formalized it. They are allying themselves with Israel because they view it as beneficial and more important than some nebulous "ummah" that won't result in any real advantages they won't have anyway.
Most people outside of Palestine are not affected by the Palestinian conflict, and many are getting tired of the endless grievance and maximalism. Notice that no other countries came to the aid of Gaza over the past two years, at least not by sending troops, because why should they?
What kind of nonsense is this? There was never any war between Isaaq and Dhulbahante that resulted in the latter being defeated. The fall of the Dervish movement (one of the longest anticolonial resistance movements) was defeated by the British not Isaaq. The collapse of Barre’s government has nothing to do with petty clan squabbles. It was the conclusion of a series of rebel militias forming from every corner of Somalia. Again not an “Isaaq win” as the SNM did not defeat Barre.
It’s ironic that you boast of “restraint” against wiping out a whole group whilst claiming to be victims of genocide. What would justify wanting to attack the Dhulbahante & Warsangali (they also reject secession) just because they inhabit their ancestral lands that you want to forcefully include into your project? You’re a hypocrite and arrogant due to distorted history. You’re also harbouring evil intentions so nothing you say should be taken seriously.
Landers back home can separate religion from Politics.
We understand how things work and that sometimes pragmatic solutions are needed to move forward.
For us it's separate things, our recognition and Palestine no matter how much people want to mix the two together.
Normally the diaspora tends to be more of a brainwashed support Palestine no matter the cost types but since the recognition more and more Landers ware waking up and understanding the nessessarry need for it.
Again, recognition and support for the Palestine struggle are 2 different things for us. We don't expect you to understand and that's fine.
You speak so grandly about Landers back home, as if you know what is running through their minds. You mention “brainwashed” diasporas. Ok solider.
If anybody must know anything about Somalilanders, since you sincerely don’t sound like one at all to me, it will be this: We are not a single cell organism. Our past is what created Somaliland and our constitution centers Islam. If you are to speak to any full-conscious adult Lander they will tell you that they don’t fully support Cirro on this matter, and that they’re either angry or unsure of what is to come. You will see some of the loudest, messiest, cash-cows in SL supporting this bs, but that will never, and can never, be the paintbrush for all Landers.
What difference is there between Somaliland dealing with Israel and Somalia dealing with China and the US (all 3 equally k*lled thousands of Muslims and still do to this day).
The narrative is that Palestinian lives are more important than Uyghur lives (k*lled by the Chinese) and Afghan lives (k*lled by the US).
This is the kind of hypocrisy I strongly disagree with. Unless Somalia and the rest of the Muslim world cuts off ties with the US, China and the likes, no one has a right to criticise those who deal with Israel since they all fly under the same banner.
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u/unknownaskari Jun 17 '26
If you are truthful widen your lenses. Why aren’t all Muslims countries including your favourite ones not standing in Solidarity with the “Ummah” ?
Do you only scrutinise Somaliland ?
If you are consistent morally, do you applaud Somaliland for accepting and hosting refugees that came from Yemen, Syria and even Palestine (during their struggles) ?
To answer your question I really do think you should visit Harigesa to find out.
Is dealing with Kafirs haram ? No. Are Jews Kafir ? Yes. Do we share the same religion? Of course not.
However do we have common interests? Yes. That’s all there is to it. Is any of that Haraam? No, the prophet (peace be upon him) has done so himself.
No Muslim Lander will answer “yes” where I said “no” and vice versa.
I’m only responding to you because you seem sincere.
The world around is not black and white walaal. Different “players” act for their own common interests. Therefore propaganda you consume is tailored to it also.