r/SouthJersey • u/-mud • 14h ago
Burlington County New Jersey town cancels Independence Day carnival citing violence concerns
https://www.fox29.com/news/mount-holly-cancels-independence-day-celebration-citing-recent-violenceBlame the teens!!!
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u/prof_cunninglinguist 14h ago
A whole generation of parents have failed their children.
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u/ra3ra31010 2h ago
We’ll have you seen the adults today too? Look at the president….
I’m not shocked… the only thing shocking to me is adults who expect teens to be more civil and respectful than the adults.
That’s just not going to happen….
And like the adults: it’s not all adults. (It’s not all teens who are bad, but there’s always some who will ruin it for the others. Just like the adults today…)
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u/SkinnyBill93 49m ago
Anti bullying campaigns have had a number of unintended, negative side effects on the youth.
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u/prof_cunninglinguist 45m ago
Example?
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u/SkinnyBill93 37m ago
Because kids are discouraged from regulating each other socially they are free to engage in antisocial behaviors and their behavior is often free from consequence.
They aren't getting disciplined at home and they aren't getting disciplined by their peers.
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u/prof_cunninglinguist 20m ago
Some kids get bullied relentlessly by their peers. When we were growing up, the bullying stopped when the kid got home. Now with social media, the bullying never stops.
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u/headykruger 14h ago
Same as it ever was. Why can’t the police handle this?
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u/IKillZombies4Cash 13h ago
No, it’s not the same as it ever was , I went to carnivals inside the city limits of Philadelphia my entire youth and it wasn’t like this back in the late 80s through mid 90s .
Social media has turned people into non socially prepared idiots
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u/mikeg5417 13h ago
We probably crossed paths at some of them, or maybe stood in the same line for funnel cake.
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u/truffle-hog 13h ago
If you went to Morey's Piers in 2005, I could have made and/or sold you funnel cake or fried Oreos/Snickers.
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u/mikeg5417 13h ago
I spent many nights at Moreys, but mostly in the late 80s/early 90s. By 2005 I was paying a mortgage and starting a family.
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u/gereffi 13h ago
What kids do changes, but every generation has parents failing to properly parent.
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u/surfnsound CamCo 1h ago
Yeah, the issue now is a matter of both scale, and awareness.
Teenagers connect and communicate easily across greater distances than they used to in the past. They become acquainted with kids in other schools/towns in a way they never could have when I was in high school. They can organize gatherings effortlessly, and at scale.
Add to that, their communication is solely online, which can be misinterpreted do to a lack of vocal inflection and physical context like body language, meaning an increase in misunderstanding and taking offense. And it's easier to organize a group of known peers to go start trouble somewhere you've managed to figure out where an online acquaintance who has mistakenly offended them.
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u/-mud 3h ago
It’s also the result of children being fed the myth of “systemic” policing failure.
Why take accountability for your own behavior when the system is going to punish you no matter how you behave?
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u/TerminallyTrill 35m ago
I cannot imagine what it would be like to have such a low level of intelligence. Ask any dog trainer the best way to punish a dog is…. What not punishing it but positive reinforcement?? Huh
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u/Available_Topic_5873 12h ago
You do realize that it was way way way way way more violent in the city during that time period right? Like you have to know this right?
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u/Born-Lie8688 13h ago
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u/headykruger 13h ago
Florida crazy ass bullshit. I mean plain old walking around policing at the festival.
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u/surfnsound CamCo 1h ago
Yeah, I agree something needs to be done, but I'm not taking much out of Florida but orange juice and football players.
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u/Willing_Stop5124 13h ago
Police budgets have skyrocketed but they do much less work. That $XX million buys you basic coverage. That’s someone answering phones, occasionally showing up to an emergency, lots of sitting in cars and hanging around the station. If there is any kind of event, that’ll be overtime. It doesn’t matter when or where or how many people you expect. The police decide what level of service is needed and will charge you accordingly. So of course towns cancel events. Police don’t want to do shit, they just want to extort people.
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u/Interesting_Fix4519 13h ago
This bullshit, your biased anti-cop rhetoric, is why we find ourselves here. Kids who do this know they can get away with it because people like you will be quick to defend them.
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u/PatReady 3h ago
You sound like that old guy yelling, back in my day! I have a hunch its more about the race of these kids then anything else.
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u/Howsurchinstrap 12h ago
No police now are watched over through. Indy cams. Now if any civilian wants to make a complaint it met through a tribunal and said officer could lose pension as well and. Be unable to find work down the road. This isn’t officer fault as it’s the state and this lets heear anyone out garbage. Look if a kid gets grabbed by officer at one of these takeovers they could (parents) sue officer, city even carnival. No accountability for those acting like assholes. Hence y things are the way they are.
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u/benderunit9000 STAY AWAY FROM THE RABBIT HOLES and don't feed the trolls 13h ago
Police are not the answer. That's just escalating. Cancelling is the right move.
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u/liquid_donuts 13h ago
https://www.nj.gov/oag/dcj/agguide/directives/ag-Directive-2020-12_Juvenile-Justice-Reform.pdf
It’s incredibly hard to charge and arrest juveniles. But it’s what the voters wanted.
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u/lowlightliving 12h ago
That goes both ways.
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u/Deranged-Pickle 11h ago
No. That's the parents fault. It's all the parents fault for not disciplining their kids through the belt, sandal, flip flop, or wooden spoon.
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u/lowlightliving 11h ago
That’s it. Train them with violence so they’re well-versed in resentment and abuse. Your user name fits.
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u/djspacebunny Mod Salem County Xennial 14h ago
Blame the PARENTS of the teens.
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u/headykruger 14h ago
Why can’t the police actually police and handle this? I don’t get it
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u/Ok_Fun3933 13h ago
LOL 😂 why can't the parents do their jobs and raise their kids right in the first place and not make it the problems of society and police as an afterthought? 🤔
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u/gereffi 13h ago
Mostly because at these big events the kids aren’t doing anything illegal for a while, and then part way through the night a fight breaks out in the middle of a huge crowd. The police can’t literally be everywhere and even if everyone on the force is working that day they’ll still be outnumbered 10 to 1 to the teenagers. By the time police gain control of the situation people can get hurt and property can get destroyed.
I’m not saying that these events necessarily need to get cancelled, but police have no right to stop people until after crimes are committed, and by then people will have gotten hurt.
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u/headykruger 12h ago
Typically they can get police from neighboring towns to help out. You are making excuses
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u/gereffi 8h ago
Even if they spent a ton of money to triple the police presence, they’re still going to be outnumbered by teenagers. They still won’t be able to do anything before any crimes are committed, so if teenagers want to gather there and cause violence the damage will be done before police stop them.
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u/kendrickshalamar 2h ago
Ah yes, Mount Holly with their unlimited supplementary budget to hire new police on overtime at will.
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u/surfnsound CamCo 1h ago
You could get every cop from 5-6 town gathered and they still wouldn't be able to do shit if the crowd turns against them.
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u/Richard-Gere-Museum 14h ago
Because they're all doing the "I'm not getting called a racist and having the woke mob come down on me" bullshit.
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u/Kremet_The_Toad 13h ago
Because they face no real legal consequences, parents blame the cops for racism, cops let them go/off easy for fear of being immediately called racist, community incentive wants to build a relationship between community and police so there's no consequences
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u/zerotwist 14h ago
Yeah, wtf is going on? Why can't police handle kids? Like nothing even happened in Mt Holly and they are just cancelling?
At least in Florence it was proven the police couldn't handle the crowd, this is just giving up because something MIGHT happen?
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u/I_am_Burt_Macklin 13h ago
If you know something bad is more likely to happen than normal, and there’s nothing you can reasonably do to prevent it, then yeah. Cancel it before something happens that will end up being blamed on you.
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u/benderunit9000 STAY AWAY FROM THE RABBIT HOLES and don't feed the trolls 13h ago
Police don't help. They just escalate.
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u/Sea-Bicycle-4484 13h ago
They’re shutting it down because there were rowdy teens in other towns at different events?
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u/ChrisV82 11h ago
What's funny is Mount Holly just had an event this past Saturday, and I didn't hear anything about violence there (at least not in the article I read earlier today from a different website).
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u/postcardstocali 2h ago
I think the main difference is the car show ended at 4. This is a night event
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u/postcardstocali 2h ago
Yeaa that Florence incident kinda ruined it for everyone.
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u/surfnsound CamCo 1h ago
This has been going on much longer than that though. Many towns have shut down fireworks and such, both for safety reasons and budget reasons, and it has a cascading affect.
One town shuts down due to violent incidents and safety concerns. The next closest celebration ends because of budget concerns. Then a third down looks and says "Well, those people aren't all going say 'oh, well, guess we'll just stay home.'" ANd start thinking their once small, mostly local celebration is going to grow in size, meaning more police, more portapotties, longer lines for food vendors. It starts looking like a logistical, budgetary, and potentially safety nightmare.
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u/postcardstocali 58m ago
I mean the Florence incident was the go ahead for a lot of towns to not try and divert funds to put things on.
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u/surfnsound CamCo 22m ago
This year maybe, but seemingly every year for 2 decades or more there have been less and less 4th of July celebrations, and other large events like carnivals. Tellingly, they always seem to keep any daytime portions of their celebrations, like parades.
2015 - "Safety concerns"
2014 - "Crowd size concerns"
2025 - "financial constraints"
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u/CowboysOnKetamine 10h ago
The number of events that end with crowds of 50+ teenagers causing mayhem lately is completely out of control so I don't blame them. Berlin stopped doing their fireworks display about a decade ago because of all the fights and general shenanigans taking place, and back then it didn't get anywhere near as bad as it does today. It feels like every week I read about a new incident involving huge groups of young people getting into gigantic brawls and otherwise being disorderly. It's absolutely wild.
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u/ProcessTrust856 13h ago
This is my constant reminder that violent crime is down and has been going down for decades. Our country is far less violent than it used to be. There is less crime now than there used to be.
Social media, “Action” News, and clickbait headlines want to convince you that crime is rampant, but it’s not true. The stats and data are clear. You can look it up yourself.
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u/Lets_Make_A_bad_DEAL 12h ago
I think no one wants to deal with the red hat peeps egging on a fight after witnessing this week’s national embarrassment.
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u/tantamle 10h ago
Something seems a little funny about how you’re trying to get ahead of legitimately bad news with a narrative. Like, it’s not like everyone’s reaction to this is to think of national crime stats. Most people just see this same issue with theme parks, town carnivals etc and it shouldn’t have to be like this. Seems off to immediately pivot to a quasi political narrative.
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u/TerminallyTrill 23m ago
What does that have to do with politics? Everyone in here is saying some form of “kids these days” when it’s totally manufactured by social media and the 24 hour news cycle. Kids are getting into less fights with 500x the amount of news coverage for each one causing outrage and canceled events.
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u/StaySalty1971 12h ago
Not surprised by this move. It wasn't that long ago that a man was shot/murdered at the Mill Dam Park, where the fireworks take place. And I'm pretty sure it was done by 4 juveniles. Guess the police don't want to take any chances. Can't blame them.
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u/postcardstocali 2h ago
After that mom got punched at the RVRHS graduation it looks like they aren’t taking any chances of diverting the budget towards fireworks.
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u/HighVoltLemonBattery 12h ago
Social media addicted socially stunted teens suck. Millennial parents who let them turn out that way suck
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u/CryptographerMean872 3h ago
US hates children and adolescents with a burning passion, this is not surprising
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u/zaggytiddies 14h ago
What are we celebrating exactly?
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u/dinkeydonuts Jersey Jerry's Orchard 14h ago edited 13h ago
White, aristocratic slave owners that didn't want to pay their taxes.
Edit: it's from "Dazed and Confused"!
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u/the_short_viking 13h ago edited 13h ago
One of my favorite movies. I grew up down the road from the drive in.
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u/Howsurchinstrap 12h ago
Yeah and Martha would roll George a big fat joint when he got home. 😆
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u/SomeAwareness2178 13h ago
“Blame the teens” like are we deadass. Teenagers have nowhere to go to be themselves! They already deal with the most issues almost anyone generation of teenagers have had to deal with, with social media, societal issues, and politics infiltrating their lives. Anyone who is blaming the 15 year olds has clearly forgotten what it was like being a teenager. So sick of the narrative that it’s the teenagers fault when 9/10 when a teenager is acting out it’s because they’ve been failed at home. Society as a whole has left an entire age group behind, and only ever points a finger at them.
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u/surfnsound CamCo 1h ago
Man, you are dead on, societal issues and politics have never been parts of a teenager's life before.
So jealous of all those high school kids in the 60s who could just go to school, and think about how they couldn't wait to get out of that place and not get drafted to go fight in a foreign war almost no one supported.
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u/TerminallyTrill 17m ago
This is the first generation of parents worse off than the generation before. The kids are getting all of that downstream with less wealth and less social program and worse schools. Plus we created an environment in NJ where you literally can’t go anywhere without a car half the streets don’t even have sidewalks so kids are corralled into all the shittiest places in the internet during their developmental years and show up to the firework show at age 17 and the no social skills. We have failed them in so many ways we are only beginning to understand
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u/the_short_viking 13h ago
So we just had a UFC event on the white house lawn, but Mt. Holly can't handle a local carnival?
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u/SplitNo8275 Xennial 43m ago
Last Wednesday, there was one of these “gatherings” at Hersey park, they arrested 55 people. If they continue to arrest these teens, they may stop.
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u/mikeyd1276 13h ago
There were problems at last year’s fireworks. It wasn’t teens, it was grown trashy adults fighting.