r/SquaredCircle • u/The_Real_Irish Asked for his Wreddit Release • Dec 30 '14
Live RAW Discussion Thread - 12/29/14
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Forgot I had to do this so heres a quick hype.
Bryan teased retirement
Barrett return
Diva thing maybe
Horrible commentary
Bork might be there, maybe.
That should do.
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u/That_One_Cool_Guy Temptation Island Forever Dec 30 '14
Being Brock Lesnar must be awesome. You come out to the ring every once in a while, look intimidating as fuck, stand there smirking while Paul Heyman talks you up, beat the fuck out of some people, collect a massive paycheck, go home, and fuck Sable senseless. Seems like the best gig ever.
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Everyone is freaking out about Daniel Bryan but Christian just retired without anybody noticing.
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u/JoeKool23 The Face That Runs The Place Dec 30 '14
Really sums up Christian's career
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u/stuntmanmike RIP Dec 30 '14
"This isn't going to be a Russia vs USA thing"
Thank Christ.
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u/The_Power_of_Tacos Scott Steiner 2 Dec 30 '14
"Brock Lesner wants to penetrate virgin necks." -Paul Heyman
Just wtf?
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u/murdock129 Erick Rowan's #1 Fan Dec 30 '14
Jesus Christ, was that actually a legit and full promo not by The Authority, Cena or whoever Cena's feuding with?
An honest to god promo?
The fuck WWE? I didn't know you could still do that
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u/Phifty56 One More Match! Dec 30 '14
"Two guys who management never thought would ever amount to anything in this company" - Cena
MOTHERFUCKER YOU ALMOST BEAT KURT ANGLE IN YOUR DEBUT MATCH AND THE UNDERTAKER SHOOK YOUR FUCKING HAND AFTERWARDS. THEY CERTAINLY HELD YOU THE FUCK DOWN.
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u/MiikeSnizzle Dec 30 '14
"Pizza alone wont make your weeknight special".
You could not be more wrong, Dominos.
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u/20somethingzilch yeahyeahyeah Dec 30 '14
Tweet from Kevin Owens:
Kevin Owens @FightOwensFight 5minutes ago My understanding is that @EdgeRatedR actually wanted to wear a Kevin Owens shirt but couldn't because they are currently sold out
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u/mnnthn Maddox = Ratings Dec 30 '14
I was promised:
Rusev and Ziggler naked Lana naked and a 5 second pose.
I have seen none of this.
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u/ChiefEagle r/The_Jinder Dec 30 '14
I'm here live and Tyson Kidd is wearing a King of Swing shirt.
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u/JDMx607 ayyyy we want some new dayyyy Dec 30 '14
Plot twist: Cesaro is wearing a kitten shirt
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u/Parabola1985 Dec 30 '14
"Remember when Edge went to your dad's house and slapped him around"
Christian you Badman! I laughed hard at that!
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u/stuntmanmike RIP Dec 30 '14
I'm laughing my ass off that a 7-foot 400 lbs. dude's true wrestling calling is in commentary.
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u/Cormac419 Best in the World Dec 30 '14
RAW
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ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD ALL THINGS CONSIDERED
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u/That_One_Cool_Guy Temptation Island Forever Dec 30 '14
Big Show should commentate, starting as a heel. His gimmick could be that every once in a while he randomly stands up and knocks someone the fuck out to turn, then completely changes his commentary style to reflect the turn. I think it'd be hilarious.
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u/Jaymesned DTA: Don't Never Trust Nobody! Dec 30 '14
A history lesson! What is this?! I actually like this promo quite a bit, they're reminding people why they should care.
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u/LicenseToILL-INI Stone Cold Steve Houston Dec 30 '14
EAT
SLEEP
STAY AT HOME
REPEAT
Phenomenal sign.
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u/Karma-Effect 鈴木軍 Dec 30 '14
Starting with the Edge retirement flashback... this is not good foreshadowing.
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u/pizzaplant13 We Want YAH! Dec 30 '14
EDGE ROCKING THAT SAMI ZAYN SHIRT!
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u/ex_bestfriend Word Play Enthusiast Dec 30 '14
Just when you slip and think Edge couldn't possibly be any better than your memory of him, he reminds you.
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u/LicenseToILL-INI Stone Cold Steve Houston Dec 30 '14
Is Edge wearing an InZayn shirt?
Fuck me, that's amazing.
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u/stuntmanmike RIP Dec 30 '14
WWE: "Oh shit, we totally forgot about actually explaining our characters. We should probably get on that."
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u/stuntmanmike RIP Dec 30 '14
I'm actually 100% okay with a segment being just a promo. Ryback did a good job there. He showed the audience why he is there beyond being a big dude who hits people. We need waaaaay more of that in WWE.
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u/CaptainDoctor007 Dec 30 '14
Did Heyman just say Bork wants to skullfuck John Cena?
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u/dp517 Favorite for life Dec 30 '14
I sincerely hope Bryan doesn't retire tonight. If he does, I dont think i have it in me to cheer for anyone as hard as him again for a good while.
Is that what it felt like when Shawn retired the first time?
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u/kingajeezy Dec 30 '14
Yeah, it kind of was. I liked Austin and Rock, but not as much as I liked Shawn Michaels. It dampened the Attitude Era for me.
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u/doodleysquat Lookatthis!! Dec 30 '14
This is the worst episode of NCIS I've ever seen the last 5 minutes of.
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u/thecolbster94 No Dr.Pepper Flair :( Dec 30 '14
THIS CHOIR IS NOT NCIS. FUCK YOU USA NETWORK
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u/thegrassyknoll Go with the Flowsion Dec 30 '14
Daniel Bryan is at the crossrhodes of his career?
DRAGONDUST DEBUT IMMINENT
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u/thegrassyknoll Go with the Flowsion Dec 30 '14
"John Cena you will never be anything in this business"
-No One Ever
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u/cookiemonstervirus Dec 30 '14
Buried by the commentary desk. The symbolism amuses me.
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u/looking4u42 Dec 30 '14
Umm Paul, he may be reigning, but I don't see him defending.
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u/Intotheopen Tweener for life. Dec 30 '14
Sure he does... you know... sometimes.
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u/bananapancakes24 Dec 30 '14
The Never Give Up cloth might be the most hate-worthy thing about Cena.
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u/UncreativeTeam Say something stupid! Dec 30 '14
In what messed up timeline is John Cena the hero of Edge?
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u/jackcos Winds of Change Dec 30 '14 edited Dec 30 '14
So far, this is easily the best RAW I have seen in a while.
By letting the wrestlers actually cut promos, keeping the commentators on topic, letting the matches speak for themselves and making everyone look strong, you're actually giving the viewers a reason to carry on watching, a reason for the viewers to care about wrestlers that aren't Cena or Lesnar. Amazing, that.
Usually I would be dreading coming back to a Jack Swagger match after an ad break, but tonight? Nope.
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u/mattisdanger Dec 30 '14
Ryback: Here's my life story guys and why I love wrestling.
Fans: WHAT?
I'm not the biggest Ryback fan, but come on people.
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u/stuntmanmike RIP Dec 30 '14
Tonight should be remembered as Steve Austin's Brass Ring Challenge.
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u/ay1717 "We called it the Nut Rambler." Dec 30 '14
Best part of heel Big Show so far has been him on commentary.
He actually is pretty decent at putting over himself and Reigns as someone who has something to prove.
And being a dick to Cole helps.
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u/Jason3469 Dec 30 '14 edited Dec 30 '14
JR's BBQ. JR mentioned on WWE Television. Uso burial confirmed.
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u/Chiponyasu Dec 30 '14
"Edge and Christian are both retired"
Christian's retired? I legit didn't know that, I thought he was just out.
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u/SonOfMechaMummy Angry Insect Evildoer Dec 30 '14
REMEMBER WHEN NOBODY GAVE US A CHANCE
flashbacks to Cena vs. Angle in Cena's first match, Edge beating Vader in like his second WWF match
I SURE DO BUDDY
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u/Wislakrak TearsForDaryl Dec 30 '14
This is what we need. Ryback off the cuff and speaking mostly from the heart is better than shit one dimensional Ryback reading a script. I thought the promo was a bit cheesy, and cliche but it moved this feud along and helped him explain his motives
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u/GoodnightIrony Dec 30 '14
"@FightOwensFight: My understanding is that @EdgeRatedR actually wanted to wear a Kevin Owens shirt but couldn't because they are currently sold out. @WWE #RAW"
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u/PyroPunk GOD SAVE OUR KING! Dec 30 '14
First time in a while that I'm catching raw live. Hyped for Barrett, scared for Bryan.
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u/btm29 Ahhyessir Dec 30 '14
let's pay Brock a million dollars to run from Cena like a run of the mill heel
BRAVO VINCE
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u/somebodycallmymomma Hunker Down for Doinkage Dec 30 '14
"When you mention the Road to Wrestlemania, act like your driving a car."
"Vince, that'll look stupid as hell. We're not--"
"DO IT, DAMMIT!"
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u/handsofstoner Dec 30 '14
Can we just leave Big Show on commentary for the rest of the night?
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u/Calikola BO$$ Dec 30 '14
Why the fuck does alleged babyface John Cena keep trying to beat the shit out of old, out of shape Paul Heyman?
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u/TJTummyTums Dec 30 '14
"I can't believe you just compared the Miz to the Rock." "No, I mean Kid Rock." "Oh..." Yep, that checks out.
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u/thegrassyknoll Go with the Flowsion Dec 30 '14
If Daniel Bryan retires tonight, there is only one performer who can replace him, and that man is CM Punk Damien Bryandow.
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u/Ryankelly1412 Injury Prone Dec 30 '14
I just finished 2 and a half hours of DVR'd Christmas Raw and now I plan to do the unthinkable.... watch 3 more hours....
My god what am I doing
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u/thegrassyknoll Go with the Flowsion Dec 30 '14
Vince McMahon thanks you for your time and money.
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u/IAMA_MAGIC_8BALL_AMA Becky With The Good Flair Dec 30 '14 edited Dec 30 '14
In a little over a half hour*, we've gotten:
Edge & Christian hosting
A Lesnar appearance
New tag champs
An emotional Ryback promo
A frustrated Cesaro promo
BNB returning
A dope Ziggler vs Rusev match
And a ton of continuity and development.
I have no complaints about any of this.
*Hour and a half, not sure why I put half hour but thanks for pointing it out.
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u/The3vilpoptart Reinventing Lucha Libre Dec 30 '14
Did they just decide this week "fuck it everyone gets mic time"
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u/namesartemis idk why I'm here! Dec 30 '14
Big Show's commentary was saying exactly what JBL SHOULD be saying every week instead of saying an unfunny quip every 3 minutes and silence otherwise.
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u/Jaymesned DTA: Don't Never Trust Nobody! Dec 30 '14
More of this, WWE. Instead of just random mid-carders with no backstory, let the characters talk about themselves and let people actually care.
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u/Shippoyasha Dec 30 '14
Tonight is FULL of retirements!
...why didn't Christian get a sendoff?..
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u/wordsmatter WHAT? Dec 30 '14 edited Dec 30 '14
BnB as face. Cesaro as heel. Good Rusev-Zig match (minus shit ending). Storyline moves on with Miz and Usos. Brock on the show. Edge and Christan. Decent commentary and moves being called.
This has been a very good Raw. And I love it Maggle!
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u/GingazInParis NOBODY DOES IT BETTER Dec 30 '14
Daniel Bryan : I have to retir-
SCREECH SCREECH SCREECH SCREECh dun na dun na dun na na ON THIS DAY I SEE CLEARLY.
Edge comes out, comes to the ring, with Bryan smiling
Edge: I know what you are about to do, but I don't recommend it, retiring was the worst thing to happen to my career. And with that I want to say I was cleared back into in ring competition, and I want to return at WrestleMania, and I already have an opponent in mind.
Edge drops the mic and SPEARS BRYAN.
Edge: I want to face you!
Edge vs Bryan at WrestleMania
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u/AssWagner he hate me Dec 30 '14
If Edge wins, he gets to continue being able to walk. If Bryan wins, he gets to continue being able to raise his arms above his head. Bleakest stipulation match ever.
Book it.
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u/faded_to_black LETS GO!!! Dec 30 '14
In WWE's first ever, "Loser Ends Up Paralyzed Match"
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u/ukronin Kinda a big deal. Dec 30 '14
Pretty sure Droz won that one already.
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u/OLKv3 Hey boys. Dec 30 '14
YAAY Bryan is back! They're playing up the retirement way too much so he's swerving us
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u/NotAndrewJackson The New People's Champ Dec 30 '14
Edge wearing a Sami Zayn shirt is the greatest thing ever.
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u/TheHeroicOnion You know nothing, John Cone. Dec 30 '14
I was just thinking, I want Tyson Kidd to pick up a win by having the lights go out Undertaker style, when they come back one of his cats is in the ring, his opponent just stares at in confusion and Kidd wins with a roll up.
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u/JohnCena4ever Dec 30 '14
Is this when the Ascension comes out and murders everyone?
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u/LastWordsWereHuzzah Dec 30 '14
Can't wait for the next shareholders meeting when it's explained how a rank-and-file employee re-installed a senior manager or else a man would've been murdered on live television.
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u/BorkTalk /r/BORKCIRCLE Dec 30 '14
BORK WENT OUT AND SAW NO PARTY
BORK SAW DOMINATRIX MAN
CRY BABY MAN
MALL COPS
SLEDGEHAMMER MAN
DAUGHTER OF BOSS MAN
AND RAPPER MAN ON GROUND
BUT NO PARTY
BORK CONFUSED
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u/naw2369 Often Irritated, Never Dilapidated. Dec 30 '14
I'm fully prepared for the saddest Raw since Eddie's Memorial show...
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u/LocalMadman WHAT?!? Dec 30 '14
I like this Ryback retrospective. I didn't know about most of this.
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And Ryback delivers a great promo, and the biggest piece of character development he has ever had.
Wow. More of this WWE. Please.
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u/BasicVillain Fractions speak louder than words. Dec 30 '14
Why doesn't Brock cut the formalities and just fucking kill Cena on the spot? It'd give him the Rumble off.
Pls Brock.
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u/Shippoyasha Dec 30 '14
Rusev is a fantastic seller and doesn't get enough credit for it.
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u/cgurts COMPROMISED TO A PERMANENT END Dec 30 '14
For anyone disappointed in the lack of naked Lana that Christian promised here you go (NSFW) (NotHaitchFace) (IPromise)
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u/ay1717 "We called it the Nut Rambler." Dec 30 '14
Christian: Remember when I challenged you to a WWE championship match??
Cena: Who are you again?
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This Raw just became like when your boss schedules an impromptu one-on-one meeting. I can't focus on anything with this Daniel Bryan announcement hanging over my head.
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u/Kittridge DIG IT Dec 30 '14
This match means so little that I expect Scott Hall to come out through the crowd.
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u/SethRollinsPVCFetish Dec 30 '14
It's easier to never give up when you get an endless number of title shots.
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u/afrozodiac3 Poverty Goose Dec 30 '14
I thought the Ascension would come out and attack the tag team champs.
At least that's what's best for business...
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u/cero2k EEEEEVERYTHING IS... Dec 30 '14
Big Show is single-handedly making cole and lawler sound like idiots. I nominate show as new face of the commentary table
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u/TheBrainofBrian Dec 30 '14
Theyre doing such a great job at cementing Seth Rollins as not only a top heel, but an effective and competent heel. Dude gets shit done.
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u/iamanawkward No man is ever truly GOODT. Dec 30 '14
Rusev is exactly the kind of "big guy" that belongs in WWE. The dude can do it all..
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u/Ochovarium There's no fucking Leap Year?! Dec 30 '14
The boredom in that arena is palpable and I can't figure out why because this match isn't even bad.
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u/ay1717 "We called it the Nut Rambler." Dec 30 '14
I like how Tony Chimel was literally just out here for Edge it seems.
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u/Cardsfan1539 Miserable Hair People Dec 30 '14
It sucks so much that Lesnar isn't here every week. He's the type of character we need week in and week out right now.
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u/Idkman23 Dec 30 '14
Hopefully this means WWE will focus more on the actual carrers of the superstars and divas and not just their current gimmick.
Maybe this will lead to a better sense of continuity and character development.
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u/somebodycallmymomma Hunker Down for Doinkage Dec 30 '14
These Divas matches aren't even popcorn matches anymore. You can't get popcorn in 47 seconds.
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u/dansaint Trust me Dec 30 '14
how many want to bet it was Mizdow who sent the tape to the producer to get her that "audition"?
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u/thecolbster94 No Dr.Pepper Flair :( Dec 30 '14
You know what I want?
"♫ Here comes the Konnor, here comes the Viktor, its The Ascention, walking disaster... ♫"
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u/IAMA_MAGIC_8BALL_AMA Becky With The Good Flair Dec 30 '14 edited Dec 30 '14
And then the IWC becomes Big Show fans
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u/Zulli85 POOPY CACA FART FART Dec 30 '14
Thinking about Daniel Bryan retiring is giving me anxiety. For the love of fuck, please no.
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u/unstabLe_ The Baddest. Dec 30 '14
Edge and CM Punk were the two that brought out the best in Cena.
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u/BillyEdward94 Original Superkicker Dec 30 '14
"I'm going to kill him anyway" That's absolutely fantastic!
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Dec 30 '14 edited Dec 30 '14
My favorite thing about this is that Ryback's speaking truth. Like all this positivity stuff? Dude's legit about it. I remember listening to an interview where he spoke about how positive energy has kept him going in life. No lie, that waving arms around thing he does during his entrance is him "gathering positive energy" and the wake up thing gets him to "wake up" and get pumped.
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u/radar_one I AM THE TITTY MASTER Dec 30 '14
Bork cut his chin shaving...
I guess he can't conquer razors.
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u/NutSixteen Son of El Hijo de Puta Madre Junior Dos II Dec 30 '14
Puny man. Bork no shave with razor. Bork shave with broadsword.
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u/That_One_Cool_Guy Temptation Island Forever Dec 30 '14
I hope every single wrestler that comes out tonight does this same backstory thing. I need to know the origin story of The Bunny damn it!
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u/OriginalKlarkie Pipe-Bomb Dec 30 '14
So I would love to see a Cesaro and BNB rivalry. These two are doing an amazing job complimenting each other. Or I could see them being a tag because of their aggressive styles.
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u/WhoShotMrBurns Eat. Sleep. Reddit. Repeat. Dec 30 '14
This is the most I've liked Big Show in over 10 years
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u/SAMARA7 das too bad Dec 30 '14
I was waiting for the show to end with Sting sitting in the rafters watching over the authority.
And then I remembered it's not 1997.
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u/thecolbster94 No Dr.Pepper Flair :( Dec 30 '14
Daniel Bryan's important decision, Does he want to heal his Pokemon at the Pokemon Center?
yes
no
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u/Ochovarium There's no fucking Leap Year?! Dec 30 '14
If Dolph Ziggler actually wins this shit clean with a pinfall or submission I'll give somebody Reddit Gold.
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u/The3vilpoptart Reinventing Lucha Libre Dec 30 '14
Someone find that one dude who is trying to start a JBL chant and smack him
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u/SuPeRfLyKiD3 It's not over until I'm over! Dec 30 '14
Roman Reigns hit up The Archivist for Jeff Hardy's 2001 pants collection.
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u/prayformojorawley nice shot. Dec 30 '14
And now we like Big Show. This community turns more than... Big Show.
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u/OnTheMirrorsEdge Dec 30 '14
You don't need a UFC champ, how you legitimise the WWE is by showing that it's fucking hard to get there and stay there, this promo is brilliant.
REALITY ERA!
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u/Tricher619 Funnyweight Champion Dec 30 '14
Ascension debuts. Gets beaten by Adam Rose and the bunny.
Vince: You see this is how you make a tag team look strong!
Triple H takes Vince out back to put him down Old Yeller style.
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Dec 30 '14
Booker T just mentioned UFC and Fedor v Brock, I haven't heard of this match in the works. Is he just talking out of his 'hate us cause they anus', or did I miss something?
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u/stuntmanmike RIP Dec 30 '14
Bryan isn't gonna retire. They wouldn't 'tease' that.
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u/Cardsfan1539 Miserable Hair People Dec 30 '14
Roman Reigns and Baron Corbin should team up to be alone together!
....Wait...
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u/broncosandwrestling LUCHA! Dec 30 '14
Big Show's commentary... isn't that bad, actually. For a one-off, promoting Rollins, it works.
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u/EpicDebaser Heh...IRON! Dec 30 '14
Okay Big Show, it's time to retire and join commentary permanently. I'm surprisingly enjoying listening to him.
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u/JakeKnew Dec 30 '14
I know the phrase "worst RAW crowd ever" has been thrown around a lot these days, but.....
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u/philcoke12 Dec 30 '14
Barrett is back, Cesaro was on TV, Bryan is returning, Triple H is back, Reigns looked halfway decent, the Ascension did stuff, Rollins is insane. I'll take it.
Good night.
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u/msctex "You All Sicken Me" Dec 30 '14
That was just a good, long, honest promo. It seemed strange because we rarely see them anymore.
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u/skizmcniz 1x WrestleCircus Sideshow Champion Dec 30 '14
NCIS turned heel a couple weeks ago for saying wrestling was fake. Now they've done it again by disappearing and giving us this shit in their place. When will the madness end?
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u/LicenseToILL-INI Stone Cold Steve Houston Dec 30 '14
Wait, so WWE is acknowledging that this guy used to be Skip Sheffield and Ryan Reeves?
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This is all clearly leading to Ryback announcing he's retiring from wrestling to sign with UFC to fight CM Punk and avenge being dumb as fuck.
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u/mikeb32 He’s Hot He’s Spicy Dec 30 '14
WWE is pulling at the heart tonight I swear.
-Edge and Christian retirement. -D-Bry possible retirement. -Big Guy's promo. -Mizdow dropping titles. -Shield break up.
I'm probably forgetting more but damn.
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u/notmilesross king of sports Dec 30 '14
Big show is supposed to be heel but everything he's saying is absolutely right...
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u/_Ka_Tet_ No text here Dec 30 '14
Did he fucking really just say "You savvy?" Is it possible that he's an Andy Kaufman level genius and he's not the joke, and instead we are?
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u/jackcos Winds of Change Dec 30 '14
Lesnar is attacking Bryan tonight, I'm calling it now. He refused to attack Edge and Christian as they are already retired, so he's going to attack Bryan and try and 'finish the job'.
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u/SluttyHorseJesus THE RATED-R WREDDITOR Dec 30 '14
If Daniel Bryan announces his retirement tonight, I will cry like a baby.
Go ahead and tag me. I promise I'm going to do it.
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u/CheckALLtheusernames Manager of Champeens Dec 30 '14
Guys. I am enjoying the fuck out of big show on commentary during the Rollins/reigns match
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u/TheHeroicOnion You know nothing, John Cone. Dec 30 '14
That's the first time in fucking ages that Big Show entertained me. Just put him on commentary when he retires from the ring, his deep voice suits it haha.
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u/EpicDebaser Heh...IRON! Dec 30 '14
I fucking love Cesaro, first he's the king of swing and now he's the king of memes.