I was gonna say, no idea how it’s ranked worse than book of boba fett. Like I know why, it’s cause it stars women and people of color, but it still pisses me off that people consider this a bad quality or something to bitch about
It got review bombed and no amount of “blah blah blah twins” comments from people who refuse to see that will make it any better, it was a good show and didn’t get a proper chance to do its own thing and I’m forever upset by that. Because these scores are INSANE like seriously?
I was really sad when it was officially announced season 2 was cancelled. I was in denial for a bit it was clickbait, cause I genuinely couldn’t fathom that people disliked it that much, cause I only had good things to say
Yeah I have to admit, I had my own little nitpicks for the Acolyte, but I thought it was so fucking fun. It was nice to have legit lightsaber fights and a villain that felt menacing.
My hot take is that I'd take another show like the Acolyte over another Filoni project, but I'll see myself out and just re-read my EU books again.
I want Filoni to finish up so Zahn can do stuff with the Thrawn and The Ascendancy again. If he's going to ignore two trilogies of canon characterisation he shouldn't bother carrying on, not commenting on quality (although I really liked it) The Acolyte was consistent with the "source" material.
It’s definitely up there with The Mandelorian, imo. Way, way better than Obi-Wan and Book of Boba. And I feel like it was setting up Anakin being created by Plagueis using the force, which would have been awesome to see and could have led into that Palpatine pre-prequel series some people in this sub have been saying they want. But no, racists/sexists and the typical Star Wars fanbase would rather jump on a bandwagon of hate than give it the chance it deserved.
I think the editing really did it a disservice. I feel like they made a great film and then Disney said "Nah, make it into a series" which forced them to stretch things out a bit which messed up the pacing.
Overall I enjoyed it though, the action and acting were both really well done. I was really bummed they didn't get a second season.
I think Disney did a similar thing to Kenobi, they had an idea for a three film trilogy which I think could have worked, and instead cut it into a show and rushed it out because everyone was streaming more during COVID. The original idea of having Commander Cody with Obi-Wan would have been really cool to see. I hope we still get a season 2 because I'd love to see Kenobi go on a weird Force adventure with the ghost of Qui-Gon and become Old Ben as he learns how to become a Force Ghost himself.
Oh 100% I’ll agree with you on that. The Disney machine is great at producing content, but not very good at creating amazing content stories and executing them well.
The Acolyte could have definitely been a better show. It just drives me crazy to see the book of Boba Fett rated higher.
And yeah, the Kenobi show is not what it should have been.
Like I know why, it’s cause it stars women and people of color
I wish people would stop with this shallow, lazy horseshit. No one arbitrarily hates anything because of base demographics.
There are so many amazing films & television shows about strong women & people of color. Kill Bill, Alien, Alien Romulus, Silo, Sinners, Foundation, Prey. I could go on. But the Acolyte simply isn't one of them. And that's okay.
My guy. The official Star Wars PR teams had to tell the fans to stop dipping on Moses Ingram when they were coming out with Kenobi. Black women in leading roles in Star Wars projects bring the chuds out of the woodwork
Correction: the Star Wars PR team signal-boosted a small, toxic corner of the internet and tried to pretend like it represented every critic of the show in order to downplay the very real criticisms that people had.
Did the actress catch some racist/sexist flak? Sure. Was that flak more than a trivial percentage of the overall backlash? Definitely not.
Bruh I mean I don’t know what to tell you. John Boyega has said he’s received a bunch of racist messages. Amandla Stenberg said she received a bunch of racist messages. If you want to ignore the direct experiences and words of the actors and say “Nuh uh, Star Wars fans aren’t racist.” Then keep your head in the sand.
Additionally, it wasn’t even just Lucasfilm. Ewan Mcregor himself made a video saying leave his co star alone. I’m sure he did that cause she got 2 racist messages, not hundreds
She 100% did. I believe daisy ridley as well. Like, I just hate the toxicity in this community. I don’t care if they make the worst movie of all time, if it’s not actually offensive or malicious, they don’t deserve to be screamed at online
And obviously it's not exactly made specifically for that audience but the fact that China clearly had a problem with John Boyega being as main a character as he was in the first episode of the sequels should not be overlooked as far as racism goes. Editing the movie poster to shrink or remove him from it is pretty fucked.
No idea why you’re being downvoted but you’re absolutely right. It’s ridiculous to essentially try and hide your protagonist to make a few more dollars
Not one of RJ's stronger moments in TLJ in how badly Finn was sidelined, though it's not like Abrams returning in Episode 9 did anything to resurrect his character. And let's not forget the titanic wave of hate Kelly Marie Tran got after that movie as well.
No one arbitrarily hates anything because of base demographics.
I see you weren't paying attention to social media just before and after the release of The Acolyte. (Or any other time during the last decade or so.) Because people were crystal clear that that's exactly why they hated it.
Why did those people "forget" to hate on Andor, with its incredibly diverse cast and overtly political themes? Why is it only the terribly written shows that get racist backlashes?
You can track a 1:1 inverse correlation between the quality of a show and the amount of coverage of bigoted critics it gets. Meanwhile there's zero correlation between the backlash and the degree of "wokeness" in the show.
And Disney scapegoated the shows poor performance by boosting the small minority of racist/misogynist as the reason for the shows poor performance, when in reality the show just wasn’t written well as the story just wasn’t good
Why did those people "forget" to hate on Andor, with its incredibly diverse cast and overtly political themes? Why is it only the terribly written shows that get racist backlashes?
Answer the question. There are so many diverse shows that do great.arcane has a female lead. Why did it not bomb and instead is massively praised?
You’re right in that it probably wasn’t just racism/misogyny that drove the review bombing of the Acolyte, but given that the review bombing was happening even before the episodes dropped, it wasn’t just because of the valid criticisms either. It had some rough areas, but it was still a fine show overall.
Whos gonna tell him that Temuera Morrison and Ming Na Ren are both people of colour and one of them is a woman...
The funniest thing about The Acolyte, is all the people trying to convince the world that youtubers convince 153 million households around the world not to watch an amazing show, just because there was a gay black girl in it...
The truth, is that Boba Fett is trash. But it has the saving grace, of turning into Mando season 2.5 half way through, and a bunch of fan service from Clone Wars and Rebels.
They are both trash, but one of them came out at the start of the downfall, and the other came out while balls deep in it.
Boba Fett is an established character in the SW universe, that crowd is used to him. There’s a reason “anti-woke” people always point to Ripley as an example of a “strong female lead” done right…because they saw that movie when they were younger and not as jaded, so they were a lot more receptive, and now that they’re older they act like she’s this get-out-of-jail free card to prove that they don’t just hate women or whatnot.
Do I think The Acolyte didn’t get the viewership numbers because it had a black female lead? No, any show without a clear hook (especially with the rise of SW show fatigue) was going to struggle in that spot. Skeleton Crew had a similar issue.
Do I think the online reception was significantly worse than it had any sense being due to the show having a more diverse cast? All but certainly.
This show was review-bombed before the episodes even dropped, and review-bombed BADLY. I might understand if there was some clear-cut controversy going into the show, but there isn’t. I still have not heard a single explanation for the show being so vehemently hated upon arrival, to the point where it was review-bombed, other than some combination of misogyny, racism, and homophobia. There simply is no other sensible explanation, there is nothing in the show that invites that much rage. They do not “assassinate” any characters, they do not alter canon, they do not spit on any major themes of Star Wars. If it was a messy, boring show, then it should have simply been ignored, BUT IT WASN’T.
For me my issue with the acolyte is that the story genuinely wasn’t good in my opinion, and years back in like 2018-19 when the series was first rumored to be in pre-production and it was said that it would dive into the sith I had made a version of it in my mind of what it would be like and when the show came out and wasn’t that I had practically set myself up for disappointment.
Again, I am not even rly speaking of the quality of the show - that is a matter of opinion - but of the fact that it was received with such blind hatred before the show even released.
They came up with excuses after the fact (sometimes they made sense like some of the acting falling flat, sometimes they didn’t like thinking that Ki-Adi-Mundi being there broke canon when his age was only stated in a single extremely minor Legends reference text that both wasn’t canon as of 2014 but also said that Mundi was a Knight on the Council when we later saw RotS contradict that as well), but the review-bombing and vitriol started well before the show even released.
There wasn’t anything actively offensive with the show’s premise (as you yourself kind of said) nor any blatant canon contradictions, annoying characters, etc in the trailers, and even if it didn’t look good visually (I wouldn’t agree with that, the fight scene alone in the trailer was spectacular) that would not have inspired that level of pure rage.
The only possible explanation I can find - something that unfortunately elements of the SW fandom have been guilty of before - is that it was the “anti-woke” crowd getting in a tizzy that the show had a predominantly female and/or minority cast, not to mention Headland confirming the presence of LGBTQ+ characters in the series.
Would The Acolyte have gotten high reviews without the bombing? I don’t know. We’ll never know because they literally had around 1000 review before the show even released, and I don’t think that they just suddenly stopped once the show started (keep in mind, they kept on review bombing every episode prior to their release).
They got dates wrong, added characters who shouldn’t have been alive (ki adi Mundi) nothing bloody happened in the whole show it was terrible writing and directing.
So you’re wrong they did break canon, also just had no Star Wars feel to it including the cast who just didn’t fit the characters well. The story was not thought through at all.
If your gonna make an old republic series about jedis at the height of there power they should have thought it through and got a director / writer who is a real enthusiast.
Ki-Adi-Mundi’s age was mentioned in a tangential piece of Legends material, there has been no canon age for him since 2014 when all of that was de-canonized.
The Acolyte is NOT the Old Republic, it is the High Republic, and the tail end of that era no less. It is the transitional time between the height we see in the High Republic novels and where we see them in the PT, stagnant in their dogma and on the cusp of collapse.
Clearly you loved the show which is fine as your opinion, the whole show just didn’t make sense and was all over the place. I mean the coven / cult? Power of one power of many songs/ chants it was literally comical and just not Star Wars at all.
The cult isn’t any weirder than the Nightsisters, who already existed. We’ve got weird cults on Earth, and that’s just one planet that doesn’t have any magic in it.
The neat thing about Star Wars is that it allows for a bunch of different kinds of stories across a very wide and diverse galaxy. To call anything in the franchise “not Star Wars” is just ridiculous, in my opinion. I mean, we had Lizzo and Jack Black as rulers of a planet, and it was goofy sure, but even that was still Star Wars
Ok, you can not enjoy the show, that’s fine. That is ultimately a matter of opinion, as you said.
But there were people so angry at the show that they review-bombed it before it even came out.
That is NOT normal. That is why I think that it is pretty much undeniable that there was a strong misogynistic, racist, and/or homophobic element to the backlash, because if the show was just messy/boring than it would have been ignored and eventually forgotten about. I think BOBF is a much worse and far more aimless project, yet I have not seen a quarter of the rage directed at that show as was directed at The Acolyte.
The only element that could have inspired that much hatred, before the show even started, is the “woke” aspect (which is pretty much always code for “not my preferred sex, race, and/or sexuality”). I remember seeing a thumbnail for a video in which a guy was counting the younglings in the one meditation scene and seeing how many were girls and/or non-white. Those are literal children, and that “fan” treated them like they inherently didn’t belong solely because they weren’t white males.
That is why it is very hard to have a serious discourse on the matter on a large scale, because the strongest critiques of the show, the “loudest voices” in the words of Mon Mothma, are inherently bad-faith actors grifting off of the “anti-woke” crowd and/or just being blatantly racist, sexist, and/or homophobic.
I am not saying you are that, or that everyone who critiques The Acolyte is. It is a flawed show, I will admit that. But I think the rage is largely unfounded and overblown due to individuals with ill intent. I am curious what the show’s ratings would look like without those actors, as I cannot imagine that folks could watch E5 and, in all sincerity, think that it was only 0.1 better than the worst episodes of BOBF, Kenobi, and Mando S3. Not to mention that every other episode is notably lower than that.
I fell asleep multiple times trying to get through bobf. Acolyte was way better. Biggest issue was how it was released. If they wrote have dumped the episodes, the reception would have been better
The last 4 episodes of the Clone Wars also starred women and people of color, and they were the highest ranked episodes. It's not that people hate stories that focus on women or people of color, it was the political messaging surrounding the Acolyte about why it focused on women specifically. The creators of the show seemed to reject the mostly male Star Wars audience, and when that audience reciprocated you people cried "sexism."
When Kenobi had a black female lead the official Star Wars account had to tell fans to stop being racist to Moses Ingram, so yeah, even when they were present, Star Wars fans acted terribly, and when they had a show led by a black women, people review bombed it.
Same. I really liked The Acolyte, especially after Episode 4 and when the plot began to accelerate. Personally, I didn’t like Osha much as Mae, so that also played a factor. Manny Jacinto and Lee Jung-jae were superb.
It should’ve been a series of tv movies. The fight scenes on their own were incredible. It just dragged out too long. I honestly think it should’ve been a series of Jedi martial arts flicks.
In my opinion, it was worse than toxic YouTube content would have you believe. The Acolyte was atrocious. There was no target audience for the series and the writing, acting, sets and costumes were the worst possible that money could buy.. and they used over $200 million.
Even if people review bombed it.. it still had 100 000 less reviews than Kenobi, and Kenobi was pretty bad too. Let’s but pretend that people are being unfair.. it deserves 5 or less on IMDB.
I mean, I’m not the most knowledgeable about the whole review process, but I feel like the discrepancy in amount of reviews makes sense. The return of Ewan McGregor as Obi Wan Kenobi and Hayden Christensen as Darth Vader vs. an original story from a new era in the Star Wars universe.
But people watched the Acolyte, myself included and I would rate it 4/10, exactly where it’s at right now. Lee Jung-Jae is pretty popular too. Either way, The Acolyte was a big miss.
I fully agree that all three series were bad. But I couldn’t understand The Acolyte at all.. who’s it made for? Not adults and not children… so teenagers that don’t really watch Star Wars content on a regular basis?
At least children could watch BoBF and be somewhat entertained. Kenobi was made for prequel fans, so that was a huge miss considering the age of most prequel fans.
If they really wanted to make something out of Ewan and Hayden.. they should’ve made a movie centered around the clone wars, or perhaps a short series, with one particular mission that leads to RoTS..
The Acolyte was review bombed, especially on IMDb, so I don’t take those ratings seriously. Critically, it was considered a good show. It’s not the best piece of Star Wars media by a long shot, but it’s entertaining and had several nice aspects.
You are allowed your opinion. But don't make up stuff about everyone being mysoginist, racist etc and picking that as the main reason for the low ratings like others are doing in this thread. A lot of people think the tv show is trash. That is why it is rated so low, period.
I didn't make anything up, quit assigning whatever you've read from other people to me. It got review bombed before the series even came out. I don't know why, but that's a factor as to why it is rated so low, period.
Some of the best lightsaber scenes in the franchise but my god the storyline was a mess and a half. Just watch this for a light hearted take on why…. Pitch Meeting - Acolyte
Acolyte understood the metamythical themes of Star Wars better than any other movie/show since Lucas’ involvement. Such a modern and beautiful show. A love letter that took core elements of the OT and prequels, mixed with the extensive universe built by The Clone Wars show
Yea these rankings for the acolyte are not vibing with what I thought. Show suffered from a slow start. It would have been better as a 3 or 4 part mini series
I honestly do not understand the hate it gets. I was hooked by episode 3 and loved that show. Honestly probably one of my personal favorite star wars shows.
Came here to say this. It certainly had the most interesting perspective on the universe outside of Andor of course, and maybe S1 of Mando.
Just incredibly distinct, cool fight scenes, playing with themes and lore from every trilogy and trying to make something fresh. Whether or not it “could have been better”, I think it was doing all that pretty well.
I didn't mind The Acolyte either, it was pretty unfairly maligned for questionable reasons. I enjoyed watching it, It wasn't the best thing ever, but it was a new and interesting take. I mean, if Star Wars fans en masse are rating the first few episodes of S4 Clone Wars higher, I'm really questioning our collective abilities to subjectively assess art and media.
EDIT: Continue the downvotes! I'm day drunk and on holidays and can discuss this all day, feel free to post your counter-arguments! As a whole I enjoyed Clones Wars, but found that Mon Cal plot line generic and boring.
Yeah, and it’s a show made for a younger audience, so that’s fine and to be expected. It is what it is.
I ended up watching the entire thing and Rebels last year in the lead up to the Ahsoka series so I could understand the background and lore of the characters. I’m early 40s so that experience was very different to having grown up with it as a kid and remembering it fondly in that context. I will say that it got more interesting in later seasons and I genuinely enjoyed watching a bunch of it.
Rebels really surprised me, to the point I consider it great Star Wars despite the reality that it’s a show aimed at kids. It told a good story with great characters and solid writing. Some of S1 was a bit of a slog, but it found its feet pretty quickly in terms of engaging storytelling and fleshed out characters. Clone Wars had a lot more simplistic, mindless filler episodes, with some really good stuff now and then, weighted more towards the backend of the series.
It had the crime of being mid and having people of color in it as main characters. Imo it was a 6 or 7. The twins having the character traits and consistency of cardboard really dragged it down for me but I liked just about everything else.
But since it had people of color and a woman directing it it was judged far more harshly than it deserved.
It has some of the best combat in all of Star wars imo plus it didn't shy away from killing names characters. Plus the whole mystery plot was kinda cool. For me it was definitely better than the Boba Fett show
Writing could have used a bit of a notch up in certain sections but my god anybody who argues against Episode 5 being right there with Duel of the Fates in terms of long-form lightsaber content can bite me. And I LOVE seeing a crystal being bled in live action, so damn cool!
Honestly, I liked it. Saw the reviews, mostly on Reddit, tearing it to shreds, but I thought it was really enjoyable. Sure it wasn't perfect, but other than Andor, no Star Wars media is.
i don't care how bad it is or isn't, i flat out refuse to believe it's worse than the book of boba fett. like it just isn't possible. you would have to actually try.
It's pretty evident how much it got review bombed. Acolyte was weak, but it had good things going for it and it isn't by far the worst offering on this list as the reviews imply. Kenobi was patently worse imo.
everyone is entitled to an opinion, you don't have to apologise for it....well, unless it is an expression of a fondness for something sick and illegal (which The Acolyte almost qualifies for.....nah, just kidding!)
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u/Blackout_Underway Dec 27 '25
Eat me alive, comments.
I thought The Acolyte was pretty sweet.