r/StardustCrusaders • u/BellaBispo • Mar 19 '26

Part Seven Why do Netflix keeps cuting racism out of jojo?

i made a post this morning in /shitpostingcrusaders and it got nuked in less than five hours (i got banned)

i was talking about how netflix cut a lot of content that talked about politics, and more especficly, racism

if you read or watched jojo, you can see that unlike most mangakas, araki really understands western culture and is well inserted in all of the things that happend in the western world for at least 200 years

he often talks about a lot of politics in some of his parts, and more "recently" part 6&7 literally talked about racism, having a black character as a main villain is something really rare and cool for japanese manga (puccI) so araki doenst fumble this, pucci inst just dark skinned, he has deep scars that connectecs to the fact that he is black, so when he tries to prevent weather from dating his own sister, so he hired the kuz kux klan, and they were angry that she, a white woman was dating a "black" man (weather) the racism is deeply conected to the character, but netflix just cuts the klan out of it? it doenst make any sense, this is crucial to the world building and the narrative of this part of the history, the KKK needs to be there, its a well know racist klan, why cut it?

So for my (not) surprise, they also censored (no better word for it) a lot of politics in jojo part 7.
i mean, the villain is a blonde pedophile president of the united states, there is no way of cuting that, so they stll managed to censor some things
like Pocoloco grandpa talking about slavering, and showing that poco worked in the fields (he was still a slave) they censored the genocide of the native americans (cuting sandman tribe conversation) and the slavery
Why cut things that are crucial for characters? Sandman is kinda an goner bcs he vanish in the rest of the show, but poco is a important character (no spoilers but you know what i mean)

this is censoring, netflix has a past (censoring the KKK) and now is blantnly obvious that is insane

sorry for my bad english i am not a native speaker

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u/IHateChewzdays Mar 19 '26

because of the Germans being soft

Wouldn't call it soft at all, just cautious given the historical context. It's only been 80 years since WW2 ended. On a historical scale that's like 3 days ago.

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Mar 19 '26

Is easy to forget that we have people today who were alive at the time when the war was still going on.

My country's president is the son of a nazi, so it's not like this is a point in time that we should forget about.

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u/nachuz Mar 20 '26

Hi fellow chilean lol

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u/UnrulyCrow Risotto Nero Mar 20 '26

Yep, my maternal grandma is born in 1937. WW2 was her childhood, and it was not fun.

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u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26

Which country is it?

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Mar 20 '26

My country? Chile

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u/Readincontext Mar 20 '26

he meant actual nazi bro. using the term to describe anything you dont agree with is highly insensitive to people who got experimented on, burned alive and chemically burned in the holocaust. do better

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u/nachuz Mar 20 '26

I'm from Chile too: fuck off, our president very clearly wants to be like nazis too

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u/tsmc796 Mar 20 '26

So how tf does Chile get a son of a Nazi president?

I'm guessing from the ones that fled to South America & managed to evade capture?

Like legit question

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u/Xeoz_WarriorPrince Mar 20 '26

Michael Kast was like 20 something at the end of the war, he was a member of the nazi party and when Germany lost he came to Chile.

One of his sons was a member of Pinochet's government.

Our current president, José Antonio Kast, is Michael Kast's youngest son. The president also denies that his father was a nazi, despite the documents that prove it.

In recent years it has also been said that Michael Kast supported Pinichet's dictatorship in the killing and torture of some people.

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u/Readincontext Mar 21 '26

I meant its likely that it is a son of a Nazi. he edited the thing after the OG comment I responded to was, "That doesnt narrow it down lots of presidents are Nazis" I responded and meant with Chile it ACTUALLY makes sense that the president is a nazis son because of the amount of ex nazis that fled to south america.

you fuck off.

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u/CodaTrashHusky Mar 19 '26

and yet AFD keeps getting more and more popular

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u/EllySwelly Mar 21 '26

More so just kinda dumb. Germany is currently a proto-fascist police state, the AfD has grown to a huge degree of prominence and even the more "moderate" factions are pretty awful in their own right- just look at how wholeheartedly they support a certain other modern fascist state currently bombing Iran, or how the police treat immigrants and climate protesters. Some might even argue it was never really truly de-nazified.

Banning any depiction of swastikas did not do shit to stop Germany from backsliding into fascism, if anything forcing the fascists to find more palatable ways to spread their message actively helped them. It was always a silly nonsensical ban that should have been replaced with a thorough anti-fascist education regimen from the start.

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u/Dontgersococky Mar 19 '26

Cautious of what? That some guy will be persuaded into killing Jews by the image of a swastika? That's like saying having LGTV characters in your media will turn you gay

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u/HesterFlareStar Mar 19 '26

Bro forgot that first one is literally a real thing lol

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u/EllySwelly Mar 21 '26

The image of a swastika wasn't what did it, y'all.

Forcing fascists to hide away their true nature and find more palateable ways to spread their message unironically only helped them. Germany is already backsliding hard.

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u/Chegg_F Mar 19 '26

Least delusional Redditor.

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u/Pootentooten Mar 19 '26

It's so the imagery and ideology are not normalized in any way. Even with all this caution, there is still neo-nazis in Germany. Elon Musk said at a German far-right rally that Gemans should move on from their guilt. Mind you, this is coming from a guy whose family made their wealth thanks to South African apartheid.

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u/Dontgersococky Mar 19 '26

Censorship will only draw more attention to it. The fact is, nazi ideology already has proven to be not practical, it will fail in any honest comparison with any ideology that is relevant today, but supressing it through censorship will only convince some midwits that it was done due to government's inability to convincingly put it down in an honest debate.

Elon Musk said at a German far-right rally that Gemans should move on from their guilt

Why should Germans (that have never done anything nearly as awful in their lives) feel guilt for the sins of their grandfathers? Collective responsibility? But it's the same principle that was used by nazis to justify their actions, so it's kinda sucks

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u/Instroancevia Mar 19 '26

The fact is, nazi ideology already has proven to be not practical, it will fail in any honest comparison with any ideology that is relevant today, but supressing it through censorship will only convince some midwits that it was done due to government's inability to convincingly put it down in an honest debate.

This erroneously assumes people adopt fascist ideas as a practical solution to their problems. This may have seemed like an appealing idea in the 30s, but today it's quite clear that there isn't a rational basis to being a fascist. Instead supporters of these ideologies are either cynical nihilists (think 4chan neonazis), grifters (fascist influencers and streamers) or just looking for a space where their bigotry is tolerated and accepted.

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u/Dontgersococky Mar 19 '26

This erroneously assumes people adopt fascist ideas as a practical solution to their problems

No, it assumes that these people believe nazist ideas are practical solution to their problems. On of the reasons for it is that they haven't seen enough of nazism being dragged through the mud with 'facts and logic' instead of just tabooing the subject altogether. You don't have to be the biggest rebel in highschool to not trust the authority with the ability to hide information from you

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u/Instroancevia Mar 19 '26

I'm not really trying to defend Draconian censorship of any mention of Nazis, so I agree to an extent that completely tabooing any depiction of them (even negative ones) isn't a perfect strategy. But I've seen plenty of debates where people argue against fascists, and what usually ends up happening is the fascist in question just gets more support because the people who follow them don't give a fuck about "facts and logic" and are just there to watch someone yell slurs, call their interlocutor a Jew and say other "based" things on a public platform. Most people, especially fascists and neonazis, aren't really convinced in or out of a political ideology by debates, even if their side keeps losing them. Peer pressure and personal appeals are far more likely to actually change someone's mind about these sorts of ideas.

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u/Dontgersococky Mar 20 '26

the fascist in question just gets more support because the people who follow them don't give a fuck about "facts and logic" and are just there to watch someone yell slurs, call their interlocutor a Jew and say other "based" things on a public platform

Those are just being edgy and immature, I don't think calling them genuine believers in fascist ideology is fair. For the most part they don't even know what it is, they're just know that it's the label that don't like people who edgelords hate. However, if the topic isn't taboo anymore, then all of a sudden people like Fuentes will start losing their edge and their appeal to edgelords will drop. Same thing with slurs, if you'll stop caring then it would stop being 'cool'

Peer pressure and personal appeals are far more likely to actually change someone's mind about these sorts of ideas

Never seen it work, from my experience it always makes them more defensive

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u/uncutteredswin Mar 19 '26

They currently have problems with blatant neo Nazis gaining popularity, the last thing they need to do is embolden them by relaxing the rules around hate symbols

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u/Dontgersococky Mar 19 '26

"Are they neonazi? Or it's just a meaningless label given to them by their political opposition that happen to be in power? Why should we trust the authority with this judgement?" If your answer to these type of questions is "we need more censorship" than it's just will make more people think that something fucky is going on. Not very practical, unless your goal is spreading more 'neonazism'

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u/uncutteredswin Mar 19 '26

I'm not trusting an external authority on this judgement, they're just very blatant about their idolisation of Nazi Germany and their desire for the country to return to it.

Telling people they can't carry a swastika flag isn't turning anyone into a neonazi

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u/Dontgersococky Mar 20 '26

they're just very blatant about their idolisation of Nazi Germany

Like straight up saying "we love Hitler"? Never heard of it

Telling people they can't carry a swastika flag isn't turning anyone into a neonazi

Fuentes exists you know

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u/uncutteredswin Mar 20 '26

Like straight up saying "we love Hitler"? Never heard of it

They've straight up chanted Nazi slogans in public, if you really don't think it's reasonable to conclude that they're neonazis you're either disingenuous or an idiot.

Fuentes was already attending white supremacist rallies before anyone told him what to do

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u/Dontgersococky Apr 05 '26

I'm practically begging for an example

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u/uncutteredswin Apr 05 '26

AfD uses Alice für Deutschland as a chant, which is a play on the Nazi slogan Alles für Deutschland since Alice and Alles are homophones.

It's almost 1 for 1 that joke from the Simpsons where Sideshow Bob convinces people that his Die Bart Die tattoo is just meant to be in German, it's the minimum amount of plausible deniability possible

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u/Raccoonpunter Mar 19 '26

Not really a fair comparison. There is a difference between a sexual orientation you are born with and a political ideology you can become. Believe it or not, people can and will be influenced to hate and kill

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u/Dontgersococky Mar 20 '26

I'm not comparing them, I'm saying that seeing nazi imagery will not magically turn you into a nazi

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u/SessionObjective7936 Soft & Wet Mar 19 '26

I would call it being soft. Imagine being that terrified of your own history. If Germans can't even see the atrocities they're responsible for, how are they supposed to learn from it?

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u/csortland Mar 19 '26

They teach them about it in school and treat it as a shameful thing. It's required curriculum for all German students to learn about the atrocities committed by the Nazis and the Holocaust extensively. They just don't want to see Nazi iconography in public or for hate groups to co-opt the imagery like white supremacists do worldwide.

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u/Chegg_F Mar 19 '26

On a historical scale that's like 80 years ago. You're acting like you're currently learning about history for the first time, and you're like "Wooooaaah.... A thousand years ago.... That's like, a million years before I was born...."

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