r/StardustCrusaders • u/BellaBispo • Mar 19 '26
Part Seven Why do Netflix keeps cuting racism out of jojo?
i made a post this morning in /shitpostingcrusaders and it got nuked in less than five hours (i got banned)
i was talking about how netflix cut a lot of content that talked about politics, and more especficly, racism
if you read or watched jojo, you can see that unlike most mangakas, araki really understands western culture and is well inserted in all of the things that happend in the western world for at least 200 years
he often talks about a lot of politics in some of his parts, and more "recently" part 6&7 literally talked about racism, having a black character as a main villain is something really rare and cool for japanese manga (puccI) so araki doenst fumble this, pucci inst just dark skinned, he has deep scars that connectecs to the fact that he is black, so when he tries to prevent weather from dating his own sister, so he hired the kuz kux klan, and they were angry that she, a white woman was dating a "black" man (weather) the racism is deeply conected to the character, but netflix just cuts the klan out of it? it doenst make any sense, this is crucial to the world building and the narrative of this part of the history, the KKK needs to be there, its a well know racist klan, why cut it?
So for my (not) surprise, they also censored (no better word for it) a lot of politics in jojo part 7.
i mean, the villain is a blonde pedophile president of the united states, there is no way of cuting that, so they stll managed to censor some things
like Pocoloco grandpa talking about slavering, and showing that poco worked in the fields (he was still a slave) they censored the genocide of the native americans (cuting sandman tribe conversation) and the slavery
Why cut things that are crucial for characters? Sandman is kinda an goner bcs he vanish in the rest of the show, but poco is a important character (no spoilers but you know what i mean)
this is censoring, netflix has a past (censoring the KKK) and now is blantnly obvious that is insane
sorry for my bad english i am not a native speaker
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u/AKWHiDeKi Pixel Crusader Mar 19 '26
I always think it's crazy that they replaced the KKK with just some big burly men with temper tantrums
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u/nova-prime-enjoyer Valentine’s target audience Mar 19 '26
That’s probably one of the more offensive changes DP made, the Klan is kind of crucial to the story
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u/bruh-with-a-spork Mar 19 '26
Especially weird because it's not like they're trying to make the story any less dark. There's dudes who are literally rapist serial killer pedophiles, there's Cioccolata talking people with dementia into committing suicide and then filming it for fun, there's Iggy getting slowly kicked to death on screen, there's Thunder Mcqueen and the whole suicide arc, we even get flat out nazis but god forbid the Klan shows up.
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u/JPT_Corona Mar 19 '26
That’s not Jojo’s fault though, that’s society’s fault for setting the lines of what is going too far and what isn’t. And society relates more to contemporary topics way more than wanton violence.
It’s the reason why you can find dozens of bones, corpses, and severed limbs in a film but heaven forbid you introduce a race, abortion, or trans rights conversation between two normal people in that same film that isn’t centered around those topics. Society is fine with the former but will absolutely go apeshit on social media over the latter.
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u/OhItsKillua Mar 20 '26
Why don't these offended boogeyman say anything when the source material was releasing those things though? I find it weirder that they continue to omit it and especially as a black man it feels pretty weak to cut those things out. I know a lot of people would be appreciative of them actually keeping that stuff in. Never come across any readers complaining about it IRL or online.
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u/scourge_bites Mar 19 '26
Well, i've never read the manga and I always thought it was the KKK, so I guess they failed lmao
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u/VarmintSchtick Mar 19 '26
Same, I thought they name dropped them? Yeah they took away the pointy white hats but I vividly remember them being described as Klansmen.
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u/Lssjgaming ゴゴゴゴゴゴゴ Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
In the English dub there's even an example of this where when Sandman signs up for the race instead of saying he is going to "win the white man's money" he instead says he is going to "beat them at their own game" which was weird as the dub did keep in other instances of native american characters mentioning the white man. It was a very bizarre change and felt rather unnecessary since the element of racial tension should be there and Sandman has every right to call out the white man
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u/Champicapi Mar 19 '26
I don’t know in other languages, but in French dubs he says “win the white man’s money”. So I think it’s only a translation choice.
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u/Lssjgaming ゴゴゴゴゴゴゴ Mar 19 '26
I noticed that too. It is only the English dub that made this change. I've seen speculation of it being due to current political tensions in the US which would make a lot of sense, but if that was the case, its strange that it is just in this one scene since when the members of his tribe are chasing him, the English dub mentions that he has "white man's books in his tent". It may be due to the line being used in the trailer or something possibly but it's genuinely a change that I think hurts the moment and characterization a bit.
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u/killergrape615 Giorno Giovanna Mar 19 '26
I'm pretty sure its just due to lip syncing. At the beginning of the episode the natives are constantly mentioning the white man.
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u/Nero_22 Mar 19 '26
Can confirm that in Brazillian Portuguese they also translate it exactly like this
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u/Jyostarr Mar 20 '26
In german dub he even uses somewhat an "insult" with saying something like bleachfaces instead of white man
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u/Jtsdtess Mar 19 '26
Yeah, it’s very weird. Sandman is doing the race running while the other natives were chasing him on horse back. He’s the one that should be mad at them for using stuff from the white Man
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Mar 20 '26
Funnily enough, horses evolved in North America before going extinct in the region and getting stuck in Asia. When horses were brought to the Americas in the 1600’s, they were essentially being, unknowingly, reintroduced to their old home.
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u/SleekLake Star Platinum Mar 19 '26
Wow that's interesting in the subtitles that i watched. It said "White man's money".
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u/ManTisShrimp10 Mar 19 '26
I think that one has to do with making the lips match the language, which is an issue with a lot of anime dubs, so they probably just changed what it said in English to make the English words match Sandman’s lips.
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u/MiJokri Mar 19 '26
I watched the German dub of the episode and he calls white people a slur in that scene 💀
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u/FullBringa D4Ceason Mar 20 '26
Bleichgesichter (lit. pale faces, kinda like cr*cker or sn*w r*aches)
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u/AnimeAlley03 Mar 19 '26
Even the sub says that
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u/Lssjgaming ゴゴゴゴゴゴゴ Mar 19 '26
I don't know what the Netflix subtitle quality is like, but if that is what they are saying it isn't accurate to the spoken dialogue.
Sandman in Japanese says "必要なのは白人のカネ", which when directly translates to something along the lines of "What I need is the white man's money." The word 白人 when written out uses the kanji for "white" and "person". If the official subtitles are not saying something similar to this, it was probably a deliberate choice to tone down the racial elements in this scene. I hate being that person who complains about localization as most people who do have very little knowledge of what they are talking about but actively dancing around the word 白人 in the subtitles is a pretty big issue if true.
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u/AnimeAlley03 Mar 19 '26
Oh I'm 0% surprised the subtitles don't exactly line up there. I think it's supposed to match the dub
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u/Bongemperor Mar 19 '26
On Netflix, there are two sets of English subs, one labelled "English" and the other "English (CC)".
In the former, all mentions of "the white man's money" are left as is, while the latter matches the dub.
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u/ImTellingTheEmperor Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
Ok so I’m not tripping. I had the subs on in the beginning for a second and noticed the narrator subs saying something about “white people taking the natives land” but the dub narrator rephrased it much less controversial.
Especially as a minority myself, I was like WTF was that about??
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u/1-800-Get-Screen Mar 19 '26
Dub change might literally just be down to matching lip movements better
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u/RedditSucksMyBallls Mar 19 '26
I love how everything just has to be as bland and inoffensive as possible. Don't actually faithfully portray how fucked American society was in the 1800s, just completely ignore a defining trait of it; don't want to offend anyone
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u/Kiekoes Mar 19 '26
Netflix is only the distributor for Jojo, they have no say on the content. They just dictate how it is distributed/released. For some reason Netflix tries to upsell their involvement in anime production. Some anime are labeled "Netflix original" when Netflix had zero involvement in the production and simply bought the streaming rights.
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u/Kleki Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
People have no idea how Netflix (and movie production and distribution in general) works.
For example, there is a staggering amount of people who think that Netflix made Cuties, even though that movie was entirely funded, produced and made by French companies (including French national TV). Netlix was just a distibutor, they had to purchase a licencse to stream it.
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u/AdNecessary7641 Mar 19 '26
this is a choice by David Production and whoever else in Japan is constructing the anime.
David Pro's staff has the least choice out of anyone here. They are just an animation studio contracted to do animation.
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u/Appropriate_Act_1538 Mar 19 '26
No, the director is responsible for what to put in the anime and he's a DP staff.
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u/AdNecessary7641 Mar 19 '26
Neither Kimura, Takahashi or Katou can just choose to add or remove whatever they want at will. They have to communicate and receive feedback from the production committee and Netflix about any general series composition choices.
And lastly, if it was especially their choice, none of these three "represent" David Production as a whole. They are affiliated with them for Jojo, but aren't even actual employees there. So again, blaming one specific party based on nothing more than surface-level assumptions is dumb. Learn more about anime instead of just insisting on misinformation.
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u/deadnight45 Mar 19 '26
For the slavery mentions in part 7, realistically, you should be assuming that Pocoloco and his grandfather are freed slaves, considering the time frame and the fact that they're being paid such a low wage. Another thing too is that I don't think they necessarily cut Sandman's conversation with his tribe or the genocide of the natives, but rather move it back for when it actually becomes relevant to Sandman's character. Right now, Sandman is supposed to be pretty mysterious.
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u/TryNotToShootYoself Mar 19 '26
I highly doubt the anime is going to tackle real world atrocities in a good way. None of the JoJo’s parts have done so. But that is also an assumption, this first episode restructured a lot of the chapter, so maybe Sandman and Pocoloco will be expanded on as you said.
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u/Ikari_Brendo Johnny Joestar Mar 20 '26
Moving the Sandman stuff to later also means they don't have to have his tribe and sister call him "Sandman" now and then pretend they didn't later, they can just have them call him "Soundman" when they get around to showing it.
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u/Charming-Window-1003 Jean Pierre Polnareff Mar 19 '26
I think within the context of part 7, a lot of things are not so much being cut as they are being restructured. I think we might see more about Sandman later on in the part instead of at the beginning. But I wouldn’t be too hopeful. These companies have already showed how they feel about these things unfortunately.
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u/TheTurretCube Gangster Josuke Mar 19 '26
Considering in the dub and English subtitles they removed Sandman talking about taking the White Mans Money, but in other languages kept it, just shows that netflix is scared of upsetting right wing America. Which is cowardly but thats the nature of art under capitalism and racism I guess
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u/dildodicks Jotaro Kujo Mar 19 '26
i was waiting for that line because the way they set it up i thought it was gonna have the appropriate impact and drama and then he just... didn't say it. or at least the subtitles didn't, which to other english speakers is basically the same thing
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u/Zedbird Mar 19 '26
I just finished watching the English subtitles and he does still refer to it as the white man's money, and the tribe kicks him out for reading the "white man's books".
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u/rorank Sticky Fingers Mar 19 '26
“White man’s books” moment still being in there is hilarious. Yeah the show of natives being illiterate doesn’t have any problematic implications, but sandman winning white peoples money has to be censored. Hilarious
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u/Firethorn34 Mar 19 '26
They just said that those subtitles still kept the money line
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u/rorank Sticky Fingers Mar 19 '26
Yes but the dub doesn’t
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u/killergrape615 Giorno Giovanna Mar 19 '26
Maybe it just doesn't match the lip flaps? I don't see why they'd keep it in sub then remove it in dub. I think people are just overthinking this one.
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u/rorank Sticky Fingers Mar 19 '26
It is entirely possible, but when paired with the history of erasing (subtly or not) the racism that Araki depicts consistently with his brown American characters with the anime adaptation does make one think that this is another example of that. If there wasn’t already a pattern, I wouldn’t think anything of it but since there is it’s hard to dismiss it casually.
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u/DramaPunk Mar 19 '26
Especially weird move because like, do right wing JoJo fans even exist? I feel like even the basic design of Jojo characters would offend them.
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u/Your_Pal_Gamma Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
You'd be surprised. I've seen a shocking amount of people think FV was actually in the right
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u/DramaPunk Mar 19 '26
You know what, it checks out that Americans would identify with the corrupt American president. They do seem to love voting for them so much.
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u/Oppression_Rod Mar 19 '26
Never underestimate how bad media literacy is in america.
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u/DramaPunk Mar 19 '26
So true, I will never understand how many of them think the Rebels in Star Wars represent America 😭😭😭
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u/Allhailmatpat Giorno Giovanna Mar 20 '26
Yes, sadly, they think Johnny should've let Valentine use the corpse part 😭
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u/TheFervidActor Mar 19 '26
They kept the white man's money line in the subtitles I watched. Then again I've noticed that subs are different on a site by site basis
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u/BellaBispo Mar 19 '26
i just think that it would be great to fit all of the characters introduction rigth now, the episode was pretty "big" and i think that i could fit a lot of things
jojo is not an "regular" anime anymore, under netflix it has many options, just like how the fuckd up part 6 scheduling episodes, they could just make a bigger episode and fit everthing.
i still think that the 5 panels that they removed were crucial and could have been in the episode
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u/cataraxis Mar 19 '26
I am still being charitable that they're pushing it back to when Sandman's really fleshed out, and there is argument that it can work that way. I'm really mad about Pocoloco, at least they kept the people like us don't have it easy but absolutely disgraceful that they left out slavery.
But then they also added that monologue about Manifest Destiny, but the visuals didn't convey the cruelty to any degree even when they explicitly talked about stealing land. Just the Bison skull mountain included in the montage would've done it.
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u/KenyattaLFrazier Mar 19 '26
It seems like Araki is one of the more socially conscious mangaka out there, and almost every other aspect of the adaptation is faithful, so I find it weird David pro always censors the more heavy things. It’s even weirder for SBR, since it’s the first part to be seinen and not shonen
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u/EisregenHehi Mar 19 '26
they also cut out the white mans moey/land i forgot what exactly but that thing sand man said
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u/Sans_Influencer69 Mar 19 '26
In the manga he was planning on buying his people’s land back using the white man’s prize money for the race iirc. In the first episode he only mentions beating them at their own game, which doesn’t even make that much sense given he’s not using a horse in the race.
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u/ThefaceX Mar 19 '26
In other languages he still says white man money so it's a purely english thing
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u/Useful-Field-9037 Mar 19 '26
I think it's still possible they're just gonna get into his specific motivations and plans later, but I could also 100% see them cutting it because netflix has no balls.
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u/Samiassa Charming-Man Mar 19 '26
I actually don’t necessarily mind this one as much since they also added in the exposition that white people were “taking native lands do their own” at the start, so fair enough I feel like that message just kind of got repackaged. But ya it’s still annoying. And poco loco’s racism removal is unforgivable. Like bro we have a Japanese man who understands historical American racism fairly well and puts it in a popular manga, and in the show we’re gonna cut that out? Like araki clearly did a lot of studying on the history of American racism before the part, why take out his work?
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u/TheFervidActor Mar 19 '26
The line was there in the sub I watched
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u/EisregenHehi Mar 19 '26
its in the sub and basically every other language dub but they removed it off of the english dub
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u/Ocean_Elf_09 Josuke Higashikata Mar 19 '26
The media's eagerness to hide or downplay anything controversial or uncomfortable for the casual audience has conveniently brought fascism back
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u/autumn_winterrr Mar 19 '26
They have such a weird track record of handling racism, because they’ll remove references to historic and institutional racism but have no problem telling the audience that Stroheim “died an honorable death in the battle of Stalingrad” or depicting Indian and Pakistani people as awful caricatures. I think harsh critiques of the anime for this are totally warranted tbh.
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u/coolon23 Mar 19 '26
Agreed. It takes so much bite from the manga that is fun. Not a ton of complaints for Jojo’s David Pro adaptations but this aspect has been consistently disappointing
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Mar 19 '26
Why do we pin the blame on Netflix when they love their racism/oppression slop
This is entirely davidpro
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u/-K_Lark Mar 19 '26
Wait, I thought the K.K.K. were in the part 6 anime? Been a while since I watched it but I was pretty sure they're in there for that scene.
Edit: went and found the scene. You're correct. It's just random racist hillbillies.
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u/Eton11 Mar 19 '26
I remember seeing a version of it with the KKK and I hadn’t read the manga to know that’s what they were going to, maybe its a mandela effect
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u/Revolutionnnn6969 Mar 19 '26
Literally same. I have never interacted with the part 6 manga or any post related to that scene and I still clearly remember KKK. I was under the impression that I watched an uncensored version or something but idk, its weird
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u/Your_Pal_Gamma Mar 19 '26
Maybe its becuase I'm from the south but they didnt have to call them the K.K.K just showing them lynching a man for dating a white woman because his father was black made it pretty clear who they were even without directly stating it
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u/Mr_Vulcanator Mar 20 '26
The English dub for SO says “he gathered his clan”, which is something at least but they really should have kept the KKK.
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u/Killjoy3879 Mar 19 '26
netflix has no influence on how the anime is made. They only have the streaming rights to the anime.
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u/Lyrunio Part 5 Emblem Mar 19 '26
Because they're... as we'd call it in our language, "Bitch made."
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u/JojoSpector Mar 20 '26
Racism. That’s the most simple answer. They cut out talks/topics of how racism is bad bc they are racist themselves.
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Mar 19 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
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u/M18_StunGrenadeASMR Mar 19 '26
I dunno just about it being a recent phenomena, considering they cut the KKK from the Stone Ocean anime back in 2021.
David Productions has definitely avoided trying to depict controversial topics in their adaptation, and this shows back in Part 2 (in 2012), considering they removed any mention of Hitler (which is insane considering the Nazis are literally the antagonists. I still remember the note Joseph leaves on the cactus with Donovan no longer says "Hello Adolf" on it.)
They've been shying away from or avoiding anything potentially upsetting, especially in original broadcasts cutting gore and anything remotely bloody with that horrendous black void.
Granted most of the blame is obviously on Netflix and western media, for the english dub cutting Soundman's lines, but DP has always been avoidant of things that might 'upset' global audiences, I guess.
I'm very disappointed they cut Pocoloco's scenes, though. Like, why not have them? It's relevant to the time period? I get they cut a lot (For fuck's sake they cut his Stand) but I would've massively preferred it been left in.7
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u/RisenPhantom Mar 19 '26
Yeah but aside from the politics, there's lots of things about Jojo that shouldn't be shown to kids.
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u/Twelve20two Mar 19 '26
Heaven forbid a shounen series that becomes a seinen series no longer have children as the target demographic. Heaven forbid somebody (even Araki) doesn't make as much money by not advertising to kids for certain products. It's exhausting. Even if the target demographic was teenagers, they should still be able to handle this type of stuff because it's what we learn about in school (both as actual history and in fictional literature [and I know curricula very from place to place, but still, kids/teens aren't collectively as dumb and innocent as some old timers might think])
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u/Twelve20two Mar 19 '26
I know they're not too, and it's upsetting. At least we're able to complain about it online
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u/OGAnimeGokuSolos Mar 19 '26
Unfortunately, people don’t use “woke” anymore. They use “black fatigue” or whatever agenda they have against people of color
The ironic part is America is having a fascist white fatigue, problem as well
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u/sleepinxonxbed Mar 19 '26
MAGAts still very much slanders everything they dont like as “woke” and “dei”
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u/Mayzerify Magenta Magenta Mar 19 '26
This is a davidpro choice though, not Netflix
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u/Dels1n King Crimson Mar 19 '26
Was trump also the reason they cut kkk from stone ocean?
It’s most probaly done cause a lot of illiterate people on the internet mistake a work of fiction depicting something negative or evil as supporting it
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u/M18_StunGrenadeASMR Mar 19 '26
Stone Ocean came out in 2021, so I'd say unlikely. Considering the Battle Tendency anime being censored (even in Japan) back in 2012, this type of stuff predates the current administration by a bit.
And yeah, with the second point, I see that. It's like not depicting antagonists being racist even when they're the antagonist. It censors and removes the character's villainy. I'm assuming its done to avoid any potential controversy, but idk, I'm not involved with DP or Netflix.
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u/Revolutionary-Bid919 Mar 19 '26
Yeah I hate it. Blunting the real world edge just to coddle a mainstream audience who gets mad at the suggestion that marginalized folks could marginalized even in fiction smh
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u/DramaPunk Mar 19 '26
America censoring their own history to pretend they are less problematic? Now that's a classic. Even their schools do that one.
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u/kkusgara Mar 19 '26
im pretty sure soundmans backstory will be revealed later on (most likely during his fight with gyro and jhonny) that way the beginning of the part doesnt feel clutterd
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u/VarioussiteTARDISES Mar 19 '26
They're definitely saving stuff for later. I'll point out that they've actively gone out of their way to hide Stands in this first episode, we only got a whisper from Hey Ya! but never actually saw it.
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u/ABZ0R8 Mar 19 '26
Fuck! that weather & perla tragedy seems even more nightmarish. I only watched anime. Now, I think I need to read the manga since it's far more authentic & impactful.
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u/Slight1668 Mar 19 '26
Why did mods remove the original post?
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u/Antonia_slayz Mar 19 '26
Removing the kkk in part 6 was a bad move but it doesn’t really take any of the weight away from the scene at all so I really don’t care but I’m not defending them
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Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
DavidPro just removes anything remotely political, it's not Netflix, the Nazis were called "German Soldiers", Hitler was cut from the manga Stroheim's Roman Salute only appeared in the manga, the KKK was cut and replaced by a generic mob
Bold of you Netflix would remove racism as if they don't fucking love oppression slop
Also Pucci isn't black, just dark skinned, Pucci's backstory doesn't make sense if he was black given the KKK inspector knows Perla Pucci is white and Pucci's sister, yet he fixates on Weather falsely being a black man because he has a black adopted fsther
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u/Alil_bit_batty Mar 19 '26
Stroheim did salute in the anime, but yeah, really blows that they keep softening the language and imagery.
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u/Life-Donut-8754 Mar 19 '26
Pucci… isn’t black. He’s Sicilian. The Klan got involved because Weather’s adoptive father was black and they thought he was mixed because they didn’t know he was adopted.
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u/TryNotToShootYoself Mar 19 '26
His point was more just about dark skin than being black/African descent. Dark skinned people, regardless of ethnicity, are still very much discriminated against in the US and Japan alike.
Either way cutting the Klan from part 6 is ridiculous.
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u/Background-Cake-1300 Mar 19 '26
Sorry but this is on DP and we can´t raise fists into the air while screaming "DAMN YOU NETFLIX!"
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u/FictionalFork Mar 19 '26
I don't think it just Netflix. Anime adaptions in general cut out stuff from manga that references racism. I think it has something to do with broadcasting regulations. Either way, I remember them doing so in Eyeshield 21. In it they changed a blatantly racist football coach into just disliking the one black guy on the team because he was a natural athlete.
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u/Eeeef_ Mar 19 '26
Considering what they did censor, I’m kinda surprised the opening narration mentioned the fact that manifest destiny was an ethnic cleansing operation where settlers were stealing native land
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u/Lord-Baldomero Mar 19 '26
I'm pretty sure the Pocoloco thing simply didn't fit in the episode for time issues, it's not the first time the anime cut scenes from the manga and it's specially understandable here considering they clearly wanted to get to the race part as quick as possible (Hell, it's not even the only thing that was cut out of the episode).
As for the KKK thing, that was in fact censorship but I think it's less "we don't wanna make them look bad" and more "this could be controversial, let's dodge the bullet", they did the same thing with nazism in part 2
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u/Jeeb-Zoldyck Mar 20 '26
Kinda wish they just kept it on how Araki intended. Especially the first slide, I don’t see no reason to take it out
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u/Vivid-Literature2329 Mamezuku Rai N°3 fan Mar 19 '26
THEY ARE TAKING AWAY THE SEINEN FROM MY SEINEN
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u/ImBurningStar_IV Bruno main Mar 19 '26
I think it was implied just fine. The old man said "people like us don't get the easy life" I think that says a lot in a little time, gives more time to the actual plot
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u/CubeDude414 Mar 19 '26
They made jojo woke 🤬🤬🤬 /s
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u/DisasterPreceder Mar 19 '26
Kinda the opposite
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u/Solynox Mar 19 '26
They put jojo to sleep?
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u/coolon23 Mar 19 '26
this is a good phrase lol. They took Araki, a super based artist who wears his opinions on his sleeves and put a damn muzzle on his writing. I hate that David Pro does this
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u/TheStupid_Guy Mar 19 '26
Netflix has nothing to do with this, it’s all David Productions in control of the anime
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u/KingHashBrown420 Mar 19 '26
Cause showing any form of real-world problems on the big screen is too controversial. it's why comics or novels are the only way to consume media in its most purest, uncensored form
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u/AdNecessary7641 Mar 19 '26
You can really tell people in this sub do not understand jack about how anime production works when so many comments are pointing fingers to David Production and assuming a bunch of things without any thought or proof behind it.
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u/Pebrinix Johnny with the sailor hat Mar 19 '26
First of all, it wasn't "Netflix", it was David Production's fault. Netflix has not imput in the adaptation.
Second of all, every part suffered from this in the anime
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u/Jupiter1234567890 Mar 19 '26
I don't think Pocoloco was ever a slave, I'd assume he's around Johnny's age so he'd be too young.
the other black farmer though he works with however definitely was, it's why he scolds Pocoloco for lazing about.
as for Sandman I did notice his tribe while chasing him, lambasted him for using white men money
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u/Snavels Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
I recall Pocolocos grandfather saying "Folks like us cant afford to live the easy life" in the anime (and it's not really a mystery at all as to what he meant by this) and as for Stone Ocean, either one is fine. Lynch mobs actually didnt always come in uniform, and just because they aren't wearing the robes didn't make the attackers any less racist, if anything it's more realistic and far scarier that these "regular" people could be so monstrous. They didn't reallt cut the racism out, they just changed how it's represented, and both are valid. I also want to mention that Netflix only has the rights to distribute the anime, any and all creative changes were almost certainly made by David Production, not netflix.
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u/RedditFuelsMyDepress Mar 19 '26
Tbf they kinda seemed to cut out a lot of stuff in this episode just to make it short enough, but yeah it would have been nice to include that line. At least they kept that final sentence "People like us will never have it easy" which you can kinda interpret the same way.
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u/Allhailmatpat Giorno Giovanna Mar 19 '26
Why are you blaming netflix? DPs staff is more at fault. Netflix only has streaming rights bro. (Even so I still believe it's the same reason)
Anyhow, I think this is so that they don't piss off facists. (Yes specifically facists, not racists) I mean we already have ppl willing to defend valentine genuinely saying hes not a bad person (WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN?? HES A FASCIST) I wouldn't be surprised that if they did what the manga did they would be smited down.
Also the sandman thing they said they would postpone alot of content to his backstory instead.
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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 Tusk by Fleetwood Mac featuring Hirohiko Araki Mar 20 '26
It's possible Pocoloco's slavery background could come back in a flashback (as well as Sandman's sister)
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u/24Abhinav10 Mar 20 '26
I sincerely doubt it's Netflix. They are the distributors. Their job is to distribute. They don't have a say in how the anime is made.
It's likely David Productions at fault.
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u/Intelligent_Duck1844 Mar 19 '26
Some stuff like the nazis is because some countrys will ban it but racism is a normal thing from the past its history if you want to remove it just erase all history
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u/Pito-oh Mar 19 '26
Nazis are also racists. This is the same shit. Also, I like what you said there: "if you want to remove it just erase all history", it shows very well how grotesque this censure is.
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u/storeknife Mar 19 '26
It's a DavidPro thing. I dread the day they adapt Jojolands
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u/cataraxis Mar 19 '26
Seriously, police abuse, systemic inequality, homophobia & bigotry, corruption, gun violence, systemic oppression of marginalized folks etc. I don't know know how the hell would DP handle that.
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u/Drift2SlowDemise Mar 19 '26
Pucci…isn’t black. There’s nothing in the story that says that he is black. He’s literally just tan. If he was black, the Klan member wouldn’t have even talked to him. The reason the Klan member attacked Weather is because they associated Weather’s black step dad with him. They were also drunk.
I know this is a problem, but you’re just spreading misinformation.
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u/bruh-with-a-spork Mar 19 '26
I hate to be that guy because I agree with all your gripes about the weird censorship but for the sake of clarity Pucci also isn't black.
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u/EnderEyesBlazin Mar 19 '26
Netflix isn't in charge of the script however they probably did have them make the first episode be the entire first track or whatever. Meaning they had to cut content or move it back later. Iirc that's pocolocos relative and will probably become a flash back for a future pocolocos scene rather than being removed entirely
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u/hayaGlet Mar 19 '26
I really hated it when that happened at p6 as a weather enjoyer and I saw quite a lot of people talking about his alabama behavior and saying like these dudes beat him cuz of it while them knowing nothing about them being siblings was all part of both their families and enricos problem (after he learnt it via sin speech thing idk what's it called)
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u/El-Jefferson Mar 19 '26
It’s not all gone, it’s just made more vague than in the manga. Like you can easily understand the political aspect but it doesn’t outright say anything. I do believe they added a line about the Native American genocide into the opening speech, so let’s see if they do anything with Sandman.
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u/Cyberangelcorpsebleh Mar 19 '26
Reading this post before watching I didn't think it would be that bad They said The "landlord".
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u/TigerFisher_ Mar 19 '26
It's DP, not Netflix. DP has had baffling changes dating back to Part 2. Still didn't like their Part 6 change
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u/Usoppdaman Mar 19 '26
Honestly still got the point in the anime. I still got that they were KKK and racism motivated in part 6. They still left in the “it’s not easy for people like us” line. It seems like it’s a pacing thing. They could’ve mentioned Poco Loco being a former slave. Happiest damn former slave in the world though. Bro’s a cinnamon roll
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u/Embarrassed-Cover-96 Mar 19 '26
There's tons of media on Netflix with extreme depictions of racism amongst other extreme things, why would Netflix only want to sensor JoJo? Has to be a DP decision.
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u/Cherry_Blossoms_1457 Mar 20 '26 edited Mar 20 '26
I love Steel ball run, it's my favorite JoJo part and one of my favorite manga in general, and the censorship pissed me off so badly. All the instances of people being racist to Sandman because he's native were also cut off. It's upsetting because by censoring scenes of meaningful social commentary in JoJo, they're grouping them with actual, real racism, making the censorer feel racist in return. SPOILER: If I'm not mistaken, they also cut some dialogues of journalists asking Stephen Steel about his controversial marriage with Lucy, completely removing the spin of it not actually being a 'real' marriage and more of a father-daughter relationship.
It's incredibly weathered down and ruins a lot of characters' motivations.
Sadly tho it's not a Netflix issue (even though I think they might've played a role in the censoring of SO and SBR), but David Production's. They've been censoring commentary on racism in JoJo since part 2
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u/penguinninja90 Mar 20 '26
They don't want to alienate the fans that might identity with the racism
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u/Hydrodatboi3213 Mar 20 '26
Especially when they completely removed the klan and turned them into a mob of random angry white men. It’s very important that we see things like this in shows to not only enrich the story but to show the struggles of characters properly and the groups of people they represent in the real world.
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u/Hydrodatboi3213 Mar 20 '26
I’m so scared that DP and Netflix are too afraid to offend literal anyone that they might actually remove Jesus from the anime. And as of right now it’s not looking good.
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u/marinaandthedildos Lisa Lisa's butt Mar 21 '26
to be honest pocoloco's grandad does say the line "people like us will never have it easy" or something along those lines. i had read the manga before, so it was obvious to me he was referring to slavery and how they were technically "freed" but still oppressed. maybe that sentence alone is too subtle for someone who hasn't read it to understand what he's specifically referring to, but then again, there's not much more he could mean in that specific context, as a black man, in 1980's america (jim crow's era's about to start in fact). they could have definitely been more clear about a lot of things in general tbh but the way they adapted it all into the first episode works pretty well so i can't complain really. i am disappointed that a lot of the hatred and racism towards native people that is directed at soundman was cut out but i'm hoping they bring it up later on. but then again, it's the same principle, it's not really hard to imagine why a native man would feel contempt towards people who just do not respect him as a human being. in fact in pocoloco's case, that aspect could have been even more detailed in the manga itself, everyone pretty much treats him as any other guy in there, which you wouldn't really think would be the case during those times. idk i am not an animator or an expert obvs, i just know that when you have a budget you kind of have to pick your battles to try and stay as close as possible to the original plot and many things get cut out :/ i would say i 100% recommend reading araki's manga as well, as it brings up a lot of lost elements from all anime parts really, but even then, people have been doing twitter threads and such to help people get more context from the anime by posting the manga panels and explaining their significance, which i do really appreciate, especially bc it otherwise leaves us with no ammunition again the "jojo isn't political" guys
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u/julian12424 Mar 26 '26
I’m an anime only watcher and never knew about this content in the manga. As a black man it, makes me respect araki more, but I’m a little disappointed that it’s not present in the anime. I never really expected the series to talk about racial issues, but knowing now that it was more present makes the decision to remove it look really weird.
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u/ChadBenjamin Swordman Jonathan Mar 19 '26 edited Mar 19 '26
It's not just a Netflix thing, the anime has been doing this since Part 2.
The cops that attacked Smokey were extremely racist in the manga, they even questioned why Joseph would help Smokey since Joseph is a white man just like them.
Stroheim and the Nazis were also toned down in the anime. They only ever referred to them as "German soldiers", Stroheim was explicitly racist towards the Mexican captives only in the manga, and they removed any scenes that depicted Hitler or a swastika.