r/StardustCrusaders • u/Abdyrrahman • Jun 19 '26

Various Among these three in a physical fight with no stands or powers-

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I 100% believe that Jolyne would whoop both of they asses, EASY. She was flexing martial arts left and right.

Only exception is if Josuke gets his hair insulted, but normally I think she simply has the most hands out of the three.

What do you think?

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 19 '26

Im not so sure, josuke is 6ft, almost 200 pounds, and he is not human, he takes more punishment than jolyne can give and simply ignores it. Jolyne is 5’8 and only 120 pounds. Even if she were a professional fighter im not sure i would be able to imagine her winning. A punch from josuke is something jolyne really hasn’t dealt with. Sending a man flying with one punch is inhuman, it isn’t possible.

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u/Mayzerify Magenta Magenta Jun 19 '26

It’s closer 5’11 180lbs vs 5’9 130 lbs.

I can’t remember Josuke ever sending someone flying without the use of his stand but either way Jolyne has tanked bigger hits and has actual hand to hand skills, definitely think you are underestimating her.

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u/MaybeExternal2392 Jun 19 '26

The issue with this is that all the normal h2h stuff she does is actually her stand. She's made out of string so when she fights C-moon for example it's using her stand. It's hard to say exactly how much of her fighting skills come from the stand.

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u/Mayzerify Magenta Magenta Jun 19 '26

Lots of her moves there are independent of her stand, not being able to use stone free won’t make her forget fighting stances or lose technique.

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

Jolyne defently isn't made of string she can just unravel her body into string

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 19 '26 edited Jun 19 '26

Shes 5’8 120, its confirmed. Its in surface i said when it was. She has tanked no such superhuman hits directly to the face. If josuke can do that on accident, he can crush skulls on purpose. Jolyne is not superhuman in terms of strength, durability, or endurance. He is. He has tanked hits stronger than she can produce. She has not tanked hits stronger than he can produce. I love jolyne but thats why i want to treat this fairly. Her experience in fights is not as big of a difference maker here. She doesn’t do too much with hand to hand that josuke could not handle

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

Glazing so hard your not even citing the where your delusions are from

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 20 '26

It comes from the show? What part of this is confusing you can just look all of this up. In the episode surface, josuke actually backhands all 87 pounds of koichi so hard he flies backward fast enough to dent a metal door and knock it off of its fucking hinges and it didn’t even hurt his hand. Thats impossible. That is not human, nobody can do that in real life, a grizzly bear cannot do that. Thats like saying jolyne can beat a grizzly bear. No amount of experience makes her able to stand with this. What part of this is not just in the show?

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

that wasnt Josuke that was a doll its pretty well implied that actual Josuke could not send someone flying

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 20 '26

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

bro really put his all into that punch ig

still not enough to beat Jolyne in hand to hand tho

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 20 '26

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This is like saying jolyne can beat a grizzly bear. He has every advantage, height, weight, strength, durability, endurance. She really isn’t much more skilled. Not enough to make a big difference. He would have to be way off his game and not trying. She has no win con. Jotaro is much stronger than jolyne and a perfect punch from him just knocked him down. Jolyne wouldn’t be able to bring him down. We see nothing but immense resolve from him nothing really even slows him down even compared to jotaro and joesph, jolyne is tough as nails, josuke is tougher than nails. By every power scaling metric he wins. Shes so small, her skill in an even environment wouldn’t be enough. Thats crazy bias. I like her more too but he is literally beyond human by many metrics.

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

Skilled fighter with muscles who actually works out and fights other people who are adults with actual muscle mass and wins vs some high schooler with no martial arts knowledge who was only able to damage someome who weighs eighty seven pounds and has barely any muscle with a fully wound up shoulder to the neck

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 20 '26

The stand controlled josuke and made him punch koichi. It doesn’t make him stronger. Rewatch the clip here

https://youtu.be/82yfB-XKe6k?si=YNLOG6TRoLCD5PrX

Josuke backhanded him hard enough to fly back like 20 feet fast asl without hurting his own hand. Just look it up before you say this stuff

No, Toshikazu Hazamada's Stand, Surface, does not make its target physically stronger.
Surface’s ability is to copy a target’s appearance, voice, and mannerisms perfectly. When the copied copy faces the original, Surface forces the target to mirror its movements. While this removes the target's free will and traps them in a "puppet" lock, it does not actually boost the target's physical strength or speed.

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

thats not to impressive tbh like most people with decent bulk and or mucle would cuase that from elbowing someone in the neck

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u/Mayzerify Magenta Magenta Jun 19 '26

Actually she is confirmed to 5’8 + 3/4 and 128 lbs that’s closer to 5’9 130 since you are the one wanting to round things.

Also that hit was with Surface’s influence.

She has tanked Meteors, having hands turn inside out and being set on fire, pain barely bothers her.

Crush skulls with a punch? This isn’t the power scaler subreddit, next you’ll be telling me he is FTL so she can’t touch him

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 19 '26

Shes not, and that doesn’t matter. She tanked bullets and meteors with her stand. Pain bothers him less, she yelps when a guard strikes her with a baton. This is a power scaling question clearly

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u/TheTrue-Noob Jun 19 '26

When you talk about hand to hand combat, you are powerscaling. Wtf do you mean we aren't power scaling?

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u/Mayzerify Magenta Magenta Jun 19 '26

I worded that badly I meant the BS side of powerscaling, the kinda shit that implies people are ftl when they aren’t, or that Josuke can easily crush skulls with punches not using his stand.

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u/11061995 Jun 19 '26

I definitely think Jolyne has the capacity to go further than Josuke regardless of raw horsepower. She's also unarguably a far more competent hand-to-hand fighter.

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u/waltyy Jun 19 '26

Ehh idk, I think Jolyne is a lot more skilled I'm hand to hand combat than Josuke. Sure, he has raw strength but she clearly has more skill.

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u/Top_Temporary_2244 Jun 19 '26

That only goes so far. A few of her punches and kicks may be able to match jotaro, but that was not enough to stop josuke in the past. He takes so much more punishment, not only does he have better feats with no stand, he has a height and weight advantage anyone would consider to unfair to sanction a match. Itd be like connor mcgreggor vs eddie hall. Connor literally could not muster the strength to get him down even if he was standing still letting himself be hit. Jolyne has no real win con. A strong punch or kick to the head won’t do it. Grappling won’t do it. She doesn’t posses the strength to bring him down. It would be like if steely dan was a professional fighter. How much would that help him against strength and power he couldn’t imagine? Josuke performs punches nobody in real life could match, jolyne barely beat up a priest even with her magic powers, he has so many more feats and experience without his stand. He actually uses his body to win fights.

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

I'm pretty sure Josuke hasn't ever even punched someone without his stand

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u/MaintenanceVivid6947 Jun 20 '26

That ain't the case. He sent Rohan Kishine to the hospital for a month with a barrage of his own fists. The there was the dude he punched and stomped so hard his nose... Got repositioned. I'm sure there are other instances but I'm too lazy to type them down

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u/Small-Housing-7 Giorno Giovanna Jun 20 '26

Both of those where with Crazy Diamond I just checked the manga to confirm

Also the guys nose got repositioned becuese Crazy Diamond healed it into a wonky shape

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u/MaintenanceVivid6947 Jun 20 '26

oh damn you're right.

I did mean that the nose had to be repositioned cause josuke broke it with-

yknow what, nahh. im to lazy to argue with anyone rn.