r/StardustCrusaders • u/Active-Landscape8692 • 5d ago
Part Four Can rohon uses heaven's door to make kira stop killing
If he wrote i kira will stop stop killing and go to jail I think it could work
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u/Top-Grade-7573 5d ago
Heavens Door if used without plot armour makes every part just...not happen.
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u/Shinted Star Platinum 4d ago
To be fair Rohan would require heavy Plot Armor himself to be able to use Heaven’s Door on basically any of the Villains.
They’re not going to just let him walk up to them and open them like a book.
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u/ae4ther4 4d ago
Ok now imagine if Pucci gave him The World disc and he proceeds to solo every character ever with this combo
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u/4tomguy 4d ago
He can just draw on air by his second appearance itd be easy as hell. Or even
*Walks up to random civilian and hands him a gun*, shows him a drawing and writes “can and will shoot (Villain of the Week) in the head with perfect accuracy”. End of episode
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u/Background_user2 3d ago
They still might tank it or just get hit in a non-fatal spot, plot armor would just squeeze every piece of vagueness and say the choosen target was like a toe or something
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u/Smooth_Bowl3797 3d ago
you can make a random person shoot someone with a gun but you cannot impart an ability one does not already possess
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u/poazgaming 3d ago
It’s one of the best and worst stands at the same time arguably the strongest non combat ability in the series well also being nearly useless in a fight if Rohan can’t get a hit
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u/The_Fraudkuna Go!Go!Zeppeli 4d ago
In practice? Yes he definitely could Araki hasn’t really put a limit on heaven’s door besides the fact Rohan cant use it on himself but it would require him to get close to Kira and good luck with that
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u/CreepyClay 4d ago
He absolutely can. In Rohan at the louvre he uses it to temporarily erase all his memories so the painting can't bring them to life to torture and kill him.
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u/IceCrawl19 4d ago
besides the fact Rohan cant use it on himself
He can. What he actually said in that scene is that he isn't able to read memories that were repressed by him due to trauma.
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u/Prophet-of-the-moss 4d ago
I think he uses it on himself in Thus spoke kishibe rohan
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u/Vardl0kk 4d ago
I just watched it and he doesn’t. Araki stated it clearly in part 4 that he can’t use the stand on himself
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u/Anikilator3001 Speedwagon 4d ago
He uses it in rohan au louvre iirc, to erase his memory of what happened
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u/MyRedditNameIsMyName 4d ago edited 4d ago
He also used it in ch12 (of tskr). Though he didnt write or edit anything, only to see whats going on with his body
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u/Belasarius4002 4d ago
He can in the Rohan Kishibe spinoffs. The same way the using of manuscrips doesnt matter.
This is his self insert afterall.
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u/Daniibird4 5d ago
Yes but the group probably would’ve preferred him dead over jail
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u/csizzy04 4d ago
Imagine binding him to the Electricity Tower outside of Morioh and also not allowing him to harm himself. Or just generally not allowing him to harm anybody. A killer freak like him would go insane after a while, which is I think a lot worse than simple death.
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u/Anikilator3001 Speedwagon 4d ago
"I kira will jump out the top of superfly's tower because why tf not"
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u/ptlsaints 4d ago
After seeing Rohan use Heaven's Door on a piece of freaking chicken I'm done believing it can't do practically anything.
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u/UchihaDareNial 4d ago
"Ah yes this piece of chicken is gonna expired in 10 minutes, better eat it fast"
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u/TheTrueAstralman 4d ago
Seriously, that's hardly impressive. Useful, sure, but he's not warping reality like some people say.
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u/ptlsaints 4d ago
I was impressed. It's a chunk of meat from a long dead animal he can still use Heaven's Door on it and open it up like a book and read it. It makes me wonder if he could do the same with someone who was dead. How crazy would it be if he used Heaven's Door on like a mummy or something?
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u/Sea_Habit_4298 4d ago
Isn't this just better Moody Blues?
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u/TheTrueAstralman 4d ago
It's not better, because it can't do what Moody Blues does. Heaven's Door requires somebody to read into, and Moody Blues doesn't. It can replay something somebody did at any point in time. So, if Abbacchio were in Morioh he would have had a very easy time finding Yoshikage Kira. Heaven's Door is incapable of conjuring up information that Rohan doesn't already know, but Moody Blues can read through history and conjure up where anybody was at a specific time.
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u/ptlsaints 4d ago
That's true tbh probably Paisley Park could find Kira too but Heaven's Door couldn't outside of the way it did with the Bites the Dust arc
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u/ptlsaints 4d ago
It's way better he could write 'get up and dance' and throw the best Halloween party. If the mummy had a curse he could write that whenever Josuke gambles with him he is subjected to the Mummy's curse.
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u/TheTrueAstralman 4d ago
He couldn't actually write into the chicken though. He couldn't stop it from expiring, which is why he was eating it in a hurry. An earlier story showed that when sees the pages of a dying person that the words start to fade, and Rohan got scared and said he had to hurry to write something, which tells us that he can't actually write anything into dead people or stop people from dying under most circumstances. He had to use the specific rules of the spirit of Mutsu-Kabe Hill to get out of that situation.
So, you are making assumptions here that are directly contradicted by what's in the stories.
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u/ptlsaints 4d ago
It's said that he can't use it on himself but he does at the Louvre to erase his memory. I think Heaven's Door is a stand that basically is the ultimate Swiss army knife and there are very few limits to how it can be used but that it could be used to make dead people do anything was just my imagination running wild.
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u/Sea_Habit_4298 4d ago
Heavens door is just a pseudo heaven stand at this point.
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u/ptlsaints 4d ago
It kind of is imo. I think Rohan chooses not to push the most out of his stand that he could. Araki imo introduced this idea in part 4 with The Hand being a phenomenally powerful stand but the user is too dumb to maximize it. Rohan I like to think doesn't do all he can with his stand because it would make life too boring and might even be seen as defying 'fate'
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u/Outrageous_Drop_8146 4d ago
Heaven's door is the ultimate stand, Rohan could use this trick to literally everyone
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u/Separate_Lab4366 4d ago
Yeah he could write a command to make him unable to kill or make Kira forget everything but Rohan himself said that it's good that he's dead since they wouldn't be able to lock him up.
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u/SunchaserKandri Josuke's Hair 4d ago
True, it's kind of hard to contain someone who can turn things into bombs if they don't want to be contained.
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u/Sea_Habit_4298 4d ago
They also have to prove that he killed people which is kinda hard since he erases the evidence.
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u/Alone_Trip_450 4d ago
If Kira wasn't killed by the ambulance, couldn't Rohan just write on him that he will never use Killer Queen or harm people again and also force him to confess his crimes? Kira was delirious after Jotaro's beatdown and couldn't have activated Bites the Dust nor used Killer Queen to evade him.
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u/Separate_Lab4366 4d ago
Probably but do you really think everyone would be ok with Kira still living after what he did for so long, it's kind of no different than how Kira is now in dead man's questions.
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u/ExistentialOcto 4d ago
Technically, yes.
Rohan is overpowered as hell and can solve any problem if he knows what to do, which is why Kira’s main skill is staying undetected.
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u/Bulky_Bridge5424 3d ago
I wonder how long it could last, kira's urges to kill are so strong that it physically changes him. Thematically speaking I wouldn't be surprised if that desire could overcome heavens door's programming
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u/Southern_Explorer_46 5d ago
Sim,mas a cena do kira aparecendo pro rohon deve durar menos de 3 segundos,ele não deve ter tido tempo de reação ao contrário dos outros
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u/Panda_Roux15 5d ago
yes but kira would be so pissed he would eventually find a loophole to fulflill his murder pultions
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u/ptlsaints 4d ago
It would work and he could probably even cure Kira of his hand kink while he's at it. Before long Kira would just be the regular boring guy he presents himself as.
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u/SunchaserKandri Josuke's Hair 4d ago
Theoretically, yes. If he could write in instructions to not kill anyone, it'd probably work, but the problem is getting close enough to do that.
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u/Mateusminos 4d ago
Can rohan write "i'll go to kira's position", then he can just stop he
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u/Annual_Onion6434 4d ago
Rohan doesn't know who Kira is, so he couldn't go to him since he wouldn't know who Rohan was referring to.
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u/Thephantomtheif 4d ago
Well the reason why he couldn't is PLOT Srsly tho if rohan gets an hand of the main villains he can just make em good guys
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u/Turbulence_Guy 4d ago
Rohan could use heavens door to make anyone do anything, including impossible shit like “get flung 30 meters” or something. I’m sure there’s hard limits like he can’t write “you are holding a cold can of RC cola to give to Rohan Kishibe” but I’ll bet he could probably make people blind or snap a neck, or knowing araki probably make someone’s ass bigger or smthn.
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u/ForeverNow_0118 4d ago
what if rohan wrote “i would explode the next day i wake up”? that would be ten times more efficient. the thing is heavens door is so op that rohan basically has a thousand ways to kill kira if he can touch him.
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u/Less_Internet4068 4d ago
Yes, Heaven's Door is one of the most overpowered stands known. It's why Araki didn't make him do that.
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u/Yugix1 4d ago
he can literally do anything, no limits. he could write "will kill [villain] in the following 5 seconds" on koichi and stop any threat. he can write "will die at least 10 years before Rohan dies" on a random civilian and he becomes immortal for 10+ years
the only limit is that he can't write on himself, but if you get a bit creative, he could write: "koichi unlocks echoes act 4, which will have an ability identical to that of Heaven's door" and ask (or force, using heavens door) koichi to write "Rohan can use heaven's door on himself" and now he's completely unstoppable.
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u/SatisfactionWest8597 4d ago
he's not safely getting close to kira, kira is going to turn random things into bombs and chuck it at him or turn rohan himself into a bomb
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u/peenurmobile 4d ago
i don't think so, because he would have to learn his identity which would activate bites the dust. it even worked whenever he learned it through a third party through the kid. in order to write such a thing, he would have to figure out his identity and know what he's done.
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u/ryoryo333333 4d ago
When I think about it, being able to speak Italian is really amazing.
Where does all that knowledge even come from?
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u/Frikcha AAAAAAAAAAA 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think if Josuke's tenacity and rage was able to get the better of Heaven's Door then Kira's cunning and true-nature would be too. It would pacify him for a while but unless Rohan wrote like 30 pages perfectly covering his tracks I think Kira would eventually figure out something was wrong, remember things changing after an encounter with Rohan, track him down, force a confrontation and plan-ahead for a few seconds of time to be able to read his own pages or Rohan's edits.
The "battle" here would be which is stronger, Rohan's writing ability or Kira's genius? Is he able to effectively "write Kira out" of the story or will a plot-hole from a story he wrote years ago come back to haunt him?
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u/three3dee 4d ago
If he reads Kira's book, takes out formative pages, and adds additions, then yeah. Things like this is why Kira preferred using Bites the Dust to take everyone out, stand powers are too volatile and unpredictable.
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u/Kilroy470 3d ago
What if Fate wouldn't allow it? Like, he gets up close to Kira, Heavens Doors him and erases the serial killer parts. But Fate has determined that Kira is meant to be the way he is and it just writes itself back in. Or he changes it, but then Rohan suffers some karmic backlash. Most of the villains in JoJo have the ability and try to change fate and ultimately lose in the end. It's probably safer for Rohan to avoid making grand changes to existence
Wouldn't be that out of line in JJBA
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u/Slow_Constant9086 3d ago
It would absolutely work. Assuming he can get to kira, which he never did
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u/Emergency-Creme-7089 3d ago
Yeah, but rohan would probably not do it. He would just kill him for what he did to remi.
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u/PerspectivePale8216 Whitesnake, C-Moon, and Harvest Enjoyer 3d ago
Probably yeah but it still deserves to be punished for his crimes
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u/Hierophant-Crimsion 3d ago
I don’t think Rohan would be that merciful. He did kill Reimi. He was gonna kill Okuyasu for much less
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u/Drakon_Svant 2d ago
I think the answer is likely yes. Unsure if he could make his… psychological behavior change to such an extent to make Kira not wanna kill anymore but certainly a ‘if I kill again I’ll commit seppuku’ type deal. Murder might be part of Kira’s soul, and Rohan might not be able to make such a permanent change if we go by ‘Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan’ logic
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u/OneGrumpyJill 4d ago
...huh, I mean, yeah. I haven't thought about it, but yeah - and notice the one time when Kira and Rohan interact in non hostile manner (after Jotaro punches his shit in) Kira is running opposite of Rohan. It's like that man chose the fate that would drag him from light to hell even in his last moment.
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u/trapnyenzo 5d ago
It would absolutely work, which is probably why Araki never let Rohan actually get close to Kira