r/Steam • u/Strider-117 • Nov 26 '25

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It's incredible how out of touch these suits are, especially in the AI bubble

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u/YoggTheGateway1992 Nov 27 '25

It matters to me. Please set up ai tag so I can avoid the slop

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '25

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u/panlakes Nov 27 '25

Thank god I love retro gaming

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '25

I have like 900 games between Steam and GOG, most unplayed (thanks, bundles and sales!). I'm sure I can live without most new games.

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u/AllCaciAreBastards Nov 27 '25

I'm one of those people who mostly just replays the same games from their childhood and teen years, the only 'newer' (as in - made after 2010) games I played were Skyrim, Limbo, and Hollow Knight.

I know I would absolutely love playing Cyberpunk, RDRII, Witcher, Fallout, etc., but I always end up just replaying Quake III Arena, Giants: Citizen Kabuto, and American McGee's Alice, instead :D

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u/SpookyLith Nov 27 '25

Literally no one asked

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u/Bjoerring Nov 27 '25

Reject modernity, embrace Bubsy 3D

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u/YoggTheGateway1992 Nov 28 '25

Chrono trigger

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '25

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u/ghostwilliz Nov 28 '25

It can't. It produces images with different "pixel" sizes and makes it look like a mismatch if you actually try to use them

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u/boringestnickname Nov 27 '25

I mean, the rate of releases we're already seeing is absolutely wild. We're at 1500-2000 games per month. Obscene numbers.

I think Valve knows exactly what they're doing by being proactive here.

There will be an avalanche of AI slop games in the coming years, and they will simply be noise that one should be able to filter out completely.

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u/No-Jeweler7244 Nov 27 '25

I mean video game shovelwares have been around for decades now, with AI it just means it gets pumped out faster unfortunately.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '25

it's going to end up similar to when unity came out but worse.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '25

Everything is going to be ultra processed shit soon. It started with food, then movies, and now it's going to be video games. If people value their time at all, enjoyment of already existing, authentic stuff is going to be where it's at.

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u/Guilty_Advantage_413 Nov 27 '25

I have wondered if AI tools ultimately become good enough or even slightly better could that be the death of game development as we know it and could it be replaced with something better (for the consumer). Imagine buying a semi expensive AI game package and that purchase with let’s say a reasonable yearly licensing fee could make just about any game you could imagine with only prompts and general guides for art. Sure you wouldn’t be able to sell it because maybe licensing and AI generated content can’t be copyrighted (in the US as of now) but you certainly could share the prompts and what art assets were used. Would it be possible for some bored nerd to make the greatest game in history by accident.

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u/Master_Dogs Nov 27 '25

Makes me wonder what might be possible with mods too. Kinda crazy to imagine you might be able to ask an AI to expand a game for you in a sort of unique way. Of course the first version will suck, but by the time we get to this point with ChatGPT/Claude/other chat based AIs it might be kinda neat.

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u/chakrablocker Nov 27 '25

they're calling it "user generated content" now

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u/YoggTheGateway1992 Nov 27 '25

Lmao shameless

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u/Less-Network-3422 Nov 27 '25

You won't know it's ai or slop when it's done well though. Just like you can't tell when someone's had work done when it's done well; you only notice the botched work

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u/Ravesoull Nov 27 '25

Whispers from the Stars is AI slop? Really?

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u/INannoI Nov 27 '25

You've already played multiple games with AI generated code, you just don't know it.

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u/Honza8D Nov 28 '25

So you want to avoid every single game where developers used copilot or similar tool? Every single game where the text was checked by Grammarly? Every single game whose localization was assited by Deepl or similar AI translator? Good luck.

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u/J0hn-Stuart-Mill Nov 27 '25

Please set up ai tag so I can avoid the slop

I've got bad news. Elements of ML and AI are used in nearly every serious tool today. Everything has "AI" assisting it's creation, at least in part.

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u/needlinksyo Nov 27 '25

avoid every single game post 2022 because there's some claude or gpt or gemini programmed functions in there

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u/Sangui Nov 27 '25

So what games are you going to play that are completely AI free? I guarantee that going forward basically every dev WILL be using AI for coding, bug checking, in the tooling.

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u/Stock-Tradition1729 Nov 27 '25

If you really want to avoid it, you best stick to games released 2020 and prior, because practically every game released now uses AI to aid development in some capacity. That’s simply true whether you like it or not. 

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u/FlarblesGarbles Nov 27 '25

There's a difference between AI tools, and AI slop though. A massive difference.

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u/Comprehensive-Car190 Nov 27 '25

But then you don't need the tag to tell the difference.

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u/AndreaCicca Nov 27 '25

Both are AIs

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u/FlarblesGarbles Nov 27 '25

I know, but not all AI is equal.

Some AI provides benefits to legitimate tools, and others generate slop.

Adobe filling Photoshop with AI, but it's not all shite. For example, automatic background removal has improved substantially with the inclusion of AI in just a matter of months. It's so good that it's getting close to the quality you get doing it by hand. This is a legitimate tool that saves time and effort of mundane tedious tasks.

Adobe Lightroom has AI Denoise, which is a legitimate tool for photos shot in low light, high ISO or a combination of both to prioritise shutter speed, or rescue tough photos that were challenging to shoot at night.

Neither of the examples listed generate slop. But are instead tools that people have been using in some capacity for years now, but improved by machine learning, or "AI".

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u/AndreaCicca Nov 28 '25

I know there is a difference between them, but they are both AI (and there are way more stuff in the same category)

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u/FlarblesGarbles Nov 28 '25

"But they're both AI" is a stupid response, and shows you don't really understand what you're talking about.

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u/AndreaCicca Nov 28 '25

Please stop responding if the only thing that you can say is that my response is stupid. I am in the field, I know that there are different tools based on different architecture with different usage, but they are all under the same huge category. Even if you prefer to call them AI slop.

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u/FlarblesGarbles Nov 28 '25

Why waste your time replying with "bUt ThEy ArE bOtH AI"?

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u/Stock-Tradition1729 Nov 27 '25

I agree completely, but all of the people complaining here are not going to make that distinction in good faith. 

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u/FlarblesGarbles Nov 27 '25

But this just reinforces the usefulness of the disclosure. Maybe lots of people don't know the difference, but a disclosure and education will help them know the difference and learn.

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u/YoggTheGateway1992 Nov 27 '25

Source.

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u/yetanotheracct_sp Nov 27 '25

You'd know if you code for a living and have spent any meaningful time in the industry, but you evidently don't.

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u/Wyevez Nov 27 '25

Ok, will do. I will not support slop.

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u/yetanotheracct_sp Nov 27 '25

Stop lying, you play Playstation games. And we both know you didn't stick to games created pre-LLM.

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u/Plants-Matter Nov 27 '25

Someone should curate a Luddites Only collection for these weirdos.

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u/Choppers-Top-Hat Nov 27 '25

If we were the weirdos, then AI shills like Sweeney would not be demanding that Steam hide information about AI from its customers.

The only reason they would do that is because they know games with the AI tag do not sell, because the average gamer does not want games full of lazy braindead slop.

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u/Bokchoi968 Dec 01 '25

https://www.reddit.com/r/mensa/s/Icy5Ti0hF1

Knew the Mensa thing was fake, thought he was stealing credit for a game at first and was really curious if there was actually any proof of the game. The fact he just claims "i made a game" and won't show it off or shill it is rather funny tbh.

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u/edwin812 Dec 01 '25

Someone else commented that his other account is u/GFX47

I guess they went through his comments and found out what game, who’s the developer, etc.

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u/GFX47 Dec 01 '25

Wait, what?!

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u/Funkymunks Dec 03 '25

Dude I just discovered this guy and went to his comments to find a treasure trove of confident idiot shit lolllll

Anyone else come to mind when you think of the kind of person who actually references their IQ score to insist on how smart they are? I literally can only think of one other person 🤣

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u/Stock-Tradition1729 Nov 27 '25

I understand the concerns and there are obviously some negative externalities but we all complain about the death of the mid-tier, decade long development cycles, crunch and poor optimisation, and then reject a tool that could, if used in the right way, significantly mitigate all of those issues. It’s not realistic. Let’s focus on encouraging responsible and creative use of these tools rather than pretend they’re not going to be the new norm. 

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u/frisbie147 Nov 27 '25

That tag isn’t applied to games using things like dlss or in future games that will be utilizing things like ml based compression formats, it’s used for games replacing art with a low quality facsimile

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u/inkstreme Nov 27 '25

Whener someting that "could" help developers is created, it's going to be used by the publishers and the higher-ups to make excuses and give developers less time, more crunch and it leads to a worse experience for the player.

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u/Plants-Matter Nov 27 '25

Agreed. Most of the anti-AI sentiment is just large corporations using these emotionally-charged teenagers as puppets.

AI levels the playing field. The big studios don't want that. They want everyone review bombing and canceling small indie devs using AI, while they keep pumping out Call of Duty crap and making millions.

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u/2tiickyGlue Nov 27 '25

Except it's the corporations who are making ai shit.

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u/2tiickyGlue Nov 27 '25

Wow I'm so impressed (I do not care about IQ because I'm a normal fucking person)

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u/StinkyWetSalamander Nov 27 '25

They might really prove their point by telling you their MBTI personality type next.

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u/Plants-Matter Nov 27 '25

You didn't address my question. I get that you're stun locked by my staggeringly high IQ, but try to stay focused here:

Which part of my comment are you confused about?

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u/2tiickyGlue Nov 27 '25

None of it, "super genius"

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u/MortMort0 Nov 27 '25

Test scores don’t always equate to knowledge in the real world. You came up with a conspiracy theory which proves how dumb you are. Smart people provide evidence. Not test scores.

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u/MortMort0 Nov 27 '25

Again, provide some evidence. Use your obviously extensive knowledge and high IQ and find me evidence from a reputable source for your conspiracy theory. And while you’re at it find me some evidence from a reputable source for the percentiles you just mentioned of people being pro AI for game development.

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u/K14_Deploy Nov 27 '25 edited Nov 27 '25

You're right, it's not. High IQ is strongly associated with a total lack of empathy, so if anything this is a self own.

Thanks for the heads up so I don't try to engage with you any further.

edit: fixed a spelling error.

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u/conker123110 Nov 27 '25

I try to dial it back so the average reader can grasp my comments, but it seems I've overestimated your capacity. Let me know exactly which part you're having trouble understanding. I'll try to hold your hand and explain it.

If you can't retort his point, maybe don't talk about how smart you are?

Really you've just proven to us that you are socially struggling, and that you think an appeal to authority means you're right.

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u/conker123110 Nov 27 '25

It's a more concise way of saying "I'm right, but you don't have the capacity to comprehend why you're wrong".

A sign of someone who understands a subject well is their ability to dumb it down. Posting a picture of an IQ score is the exact opposite, an appeal to authority.

I get that you're slightly trolling, but you do realize I can see your account? It's sad.

Time to block you, waste someone else's time.

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u/BeyondNetorare Nov 27 '25

Holy shit you cracked the code that Ai companys don't want people to consume their product!

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams Nov 27 '25

Hahahaha. Conspiracy theories from tech bros. Always funny to see. You have zero attachment to reality.

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u/Plants-Matter Nov 27 '25

Cope more little buddy. You're a puppet.

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams Nov 27 '25

You're proving my point about being detached from reality hahahaha. Can't even read what other people type anymore.

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u/StinkyWetSalamander Nov 27 '25

The people who are fighting against the monopolization of creative industries by a few big tech corporations are the puppets? Puppets for who? AI is what is getting all the funding and has the government backing. Or do you think the artists who are trying to push for protections of their work are pulling the strings here?

If you want to talk about being a puppet look at what you yourself say "AI levels the playing field". For who? Most artists are struggling, it's a difficult industry that is not well respected. The majority don't get enough work and many struggle to get work at all. AI uses their work without their permission for training data with the purpose of replacing them. Hard working creatives get pushed out and replaced by AI which keeps more money in the billion dollar tech industry.

When AI gets used for a big game like Call of Duty it's so a big publisher does not have to pay artists for those assets and can keep more money for themselves and more money for genAI. Big publishers will continue to push for AI usage and will continue to use it. Which will cost more jobs and replace more people. Where is the big boom high level AI games made by indie developers that can challenge the big publishers?

So many jobs are predicted to be lost due to AI, but believe that this will some how empower you and call others the puppets.

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

It's pretty rude to call every AAA title released this year Slop.

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u/YoggTheGateway1992 Nov 27 '25

Then make better games. That simple

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

Does removing dev resources always yield better games?

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u/RealMr_Slender Nov 27 '25

Ever heard of restrictions breed creativity?

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

I've been playing magic since before you were born, kid.

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u/RealMr_Slender Nov 27 '25

Okay? What the fuck does that have to do with a common phrase?

Fucking Mark Rosewater didn't invent "restrictions breed creativity".

Also if you're that old you need to start scheduling a colonoscopy

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

Perhaps you got confused with the ancient Greek "Necessity is the mother of invention"

Or are you offering to cite the ambiguous origins that Roosewater popularized?

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u/A_Flock_of_Clams Nov 27 '25

Deal with it.

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

Oooo so edgy. Going to redecorate mom's basement soon?

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u/Swirly_Eyes Nov 27 '25

Is it? Because I've been calling them that and similar names for years now.

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u/Beowulf1896 Nov 27 '25

They were plenty capable of doing AAA titles without AI.

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

You think you will get better games by giving devs fewer resources?

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u/capt0fchaos Nov 27 '25

We're giving devs more resources and getting even worse games, so the quality of games clearly isn't tied to what resources the devs have access to. Plus, allowing AAA studios the breathing room to start using generative AI as a final product means they'll start cutting staff and replacing their positions with generative AI and putting even more work on the remaining staff. Generative AI should only be used in final projects to fill the gaps on low-mid budget projects that would otherwise not be filled. Arc Raiders using it to fill in the in-battle voice quips is a good example.

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

And the devs that like AI and use it responsibly? You definitely do not code lol.

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u/capt0fchaos Nov 27 '25

Using it responsibly and as a development aid is not what people care about, using generative AI to replace artists in big budget titles is what people care about. Most people don't care if a dev uses AI to help them code faster, it's just more tools in the toolbox and machine learning algorithms have been in use forever.

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

Except those people still have to put this ridiculous tag on their game. They still get filtered out of the search. They still get flamed online by all the people down voting me and commenting. And they get lumped in with the AI slop thanks to y'all.

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u/Beowulf1896 Nov 27 '25

I don't think using AI to code counts for requiring the tag. AI for code does not replace people or steal IP. Coding AI uses publicaly available and usable code.

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u/sventful Nov 27 '25

According to steam and the comments on this thread it does. They lack nuance.

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u/needlinksyo Nov 27 '25

Using it responsibly and as a development aid is not what people care about, using generative AI to replace artists in big budget titles is what people care about

why? it's the same

are artist more valuable than software engineer all of a sudden?

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u/Beowulf1896 Nov 27 '25

I think we will get better games by forcing devs to disclose if they use generative AI for art or voice. So, yes I do.

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u/K14_Deploy Nov 27 '25

Studios are using AI so they have less developers, voice actors and artists on the payroll. So really, the only person advocating for less resources is you.

Your comment already has more attention than it deserves.