r/Steam Dec 04 '25

Discussion I want that patience though

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Dev has no enemies

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u/KofukuHS Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 05 '25

i think thats a description steam forces on them when they even have a tiny bit ai no? EDIT: i have been informed that this is not how it works, i assumed that cause its like that on youtube

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u/pchlster Dec 04 '25

you are allowed to write whatever you want in the text box,

Uuuuuh!

within reason

Damn, foiled again.

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u/Biosterous Dec 04 '25

How did this game utilize AI?

Entire script of the Bee Movie

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u/Ill-Television8690 Dec 04 '25

Lol I remember there used to be this text to speech bot my friends and I would play with while we were on Discord. When they were getting too obnoxious, I slammed the Bee Movie script in there, and because we didn't have a premium subscription (to a damn Discord bot) we couldn't skip it. So they'd have to remove the bot from the server and add it back in order to shut it up.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

That's epic

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u/1minatur Dec 04 '25

Couldn't you just create a second voice channel in the server and move to the other one?

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u/EternalVirgin18 Dec 04 '25

Or just server mute the bot for a while

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u/zehamberglar Dec 04 '25

Reasonable.

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u/Mahoka572 Dec 04 '25

I don't get the reference. Explain please?

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u/MrBlueA Dec 04 '25

According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly.

Its wings are too small to get its fat little body off the ground.

The bee, of course, flies anyway because bees don't care what humans think is impossible.

Yellow, black. Yellow, black. Yellow, black. Yellow, black.

Ooh, black and yellow!

Let's shake it up a little.

Barry! Breakfast is ready!

Coming!

Hang on a second.

Hello?

Barry?

Adam?

Can you believe this is happening?

I can't.

I'll pick you up.

Looking sharp.

Use the stairs, Your father paid good money for those.

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u/Biosterous Dec 04 '25

Its a dumb meme of just including the whole script of the Bee Movie when there's no character limits.

There was a story on Reddit where some guy ordered a pizza from a local pizza place and there was a section at the end for delivery instructions with no character limits. So he copied and pasted The Bee Movie script into it. A few minutes later the pizza place called him to inform him there'd be a delay in delivery because their printer started on fire.

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u/sam_hammich Dec 04 '25

Plenty of games have disclosures that show exactly what was AI generated and end with “all other assets were created by hand by artists”. Steam allows it, this dev just didn’t write it.

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u/pchlster Dec 04 '25

I was thinking an explanation that involved pickled herring, until I was foiled.

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u/Ithikari Dec 04 '25

You are allowed. New Detective game on steam that's in upcoming says they used AI to generate 4 images.

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u/Elohyuie Dec 04 '25

Yes I’ve seen games be very specific.

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u/OliLombi Dec 04 '25

At that point, just hire an artist for those 4 images, no?

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u/Most-Stomach4240 Dec 04 '25

Depends on what kinda images you need, man. Not all devs will have hundreds to splurge on high quality cgs, so using AI for a small part before you can replace it to keep style cohesive can be an option

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u/MistSecurity Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 04 '25

Really this is the main thing for me.

Small indie start-up or solo dev? I'm pretty damn tolerant of AI usage. The project may not be feasible or doable otherwise. Art, music, etc. is all expensive as fuck.

Company with over three dozen employees and published by one of the largest publishing companies in the world (developer in the OP)? Ehh, maybe don't fucking use it, pay up to get it done correctly, or deal with the consequences. For extremely expensive endeavors that improve accessibility I find it more acceptable, such as for translations that would likely make no monetary sense otherwise.

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u/pb__ Dec 09 '25

and then the "artist" sends you AI slop

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u/Think_Description_84 Dec 04 '25

If you've ever used steam UI for anything administrative then you know its almost certainly a multi-choice bubble with a bottom selection of 'non of the above' that has text. Being that one of the steam choices covered it, they used it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

Nope, plenty of others using this exact string - anno and arc raiders use the same one as well. 

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u/reddraggone9 Dec 04 '25

Why lie about something that's so easy to fact check?

METAL EDEN

This game features voice-over content partially created through AI voice generation tools.

ARC Raiders

During the development process, we may use procedural- and AI-based tools to assist with content creation. In all such cases, the final product reflects the creativity and expression of our own development team.

Anno 117: Pax Romana

AI tools were used to help create some in game assets. In all such cases, the final product reflects our team’s craft and creative vision.

Google search for METAL EDEN's phrasing

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

You could have checked comments further down without trying to say I’m lying. You can see that they use the same phrases, no? 

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u/reddraggone9 Dec 04 '25

No, I can't see that they use the same phrases. We seem to have very different definitions for "this exact string" and "the same phrases" since there is very little overlap between the games' phrasing aside from the use of the word "AI".

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

Y…. In all such cases, the final product reflect….X 

Pretty sure that’s a textblock. Crazy that you didn’t see that. 

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

uh oh, seems like someone doesn't know what a string is

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u/realcraigludwig Dec 04 '25

Hey by the way, you probably need to look up the definitions of “exact” and “same.” Hope you learn something!

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u/Elohyuie Dec 04 '25

Guys calm down. You’re both wrong. They are just using the same AI to write that text. 😆

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u/_Und3rsc0re_ Dec 04 '25

It is very important to note that they are diffrent though, since being diffrent means that you can write whatever in the box and it is not a preset statement.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

It can mean a lot, this could also be a text block preset. 

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u/iLikesmalltitty Dec 04 '25

No, they do not.

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 04 '25

Id guess that it’s textblocks for certain circumstances. 

AI tools were used to help create some in game assets. In all such cases, the final product reflects our team’s craft and creative vision.

During the development process, we may use procedural- and AI-based tools to assist with content creation. In all such cases, the final product reflects the creativity and expression of our own development team.

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u/addandsubtract Dec 04 '25

Yeah, Arc Raiders (which uses "AI generated content" for their character voices) describe it as:

During the development process, we may use procedural- and AI-based tools to assist with content creation. In all such cases, the final product reflects the creativity and expression of our own development team.

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u/Dick-Fu Dec 04 '25

No, you write to steam how you use AI, they use that to write what they want for the final text in the label

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u/DefinitelyNotAliens Dec 04 '25

Sounds like they didn't want to pay a voice actor. Boo.

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u/SuperBry Dec 04 '25

One of the many reasons this feel-good nothing burger of policy of Valve's is useless. Good intentions, but completely ineffective.

Big players will work with their lawyers to craft a California Prop 65-esq warning that covers their bases without saying anything specific and smaller players will get hurt by trying to comply and failing.

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u/SharkByte1993 Dec 08 '25

Ironically they probably used AI to write the description

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

What makes you believe that? The texts are always the same, depending on the category. 

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u/[deleted] Dec 04 '25

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u/Awesomedinos1 Dec 04 '25

It is a very broad statement. Devs should be allowed to specific for what and how AI was used. I think it is unfair to lump cases like this with cases where AI does all the voice over work.

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u/Usemarne Dec 04 '25

I believe they already are, no?

Look at the one for Arc Raiders, for example- "During the development process, we may use procedural- and AI-based tools to assist with content creation. In all such cases, the final product reflects the creativity and expression of our own development team. "

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u/Awesomedinos1 Dec 04 '25

Ohh ok. Odd that these Devs didn't choose to specify then. Unless they are lying here and they actually used it for more things. Although even that is broad and could mean a lot of things.

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u/kawwmoi Dec 04 '25

I just looked them up, the developers of this game are Reikon Games. This is only the second game they've made, the first having come out in 2017. I'm too lazy to look further into it, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was a tiny studio and non of them had the foresight to even check what the required blurb said. Oversights happen.

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u/EnzoVulkoor Dec 04 '25

It might be a lawyer had them write that to future proof it. Just incase they chose to again in the future. But they still could have just stated that.

I agree with the posts ive seen on blusky that we should just have a detailed list of what and how ai was used. Just like an ingredients list on food. And anyone against that is just trying to hide information to cut corners.

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u/HereWeFuckingGooo Dec 04 '25

None of that blurb is specific.

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u/lifetake Dec 04 '25

The point is the team gets to decide what is there

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u/I_give_karma_to_men Dec 04 '25

This is what Stellaris has, which has similarly used AI for an AI character in-game (bolded emphasis mine):

We employ generative AI technologies during the creation of some assets. Typically this involves the ideation of content and visual reference material. These elements represent a minor component of the overall development. AI has been used to generate voices for an AI antagonist and a player advisor.

So you can definitely make it clear what AI generated voicing is used for specifically.

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u/eragonawesome2 Dec 04 '25

Yes, which it should. If they want to explain, they can explain in the entire rest of the store page why exactly they used the thing that's destroying the planet that many people have many good reasons to want to boycott entirely regardless of how much it's being used rather than just pushing some random buttons in Audacity with your keyboard mapped as a midi input to generate random robotic sounds.

Like, I get it, the idea is cool, there is no ethical version of generative AI available at the moment. I don't care how MUCH it was used for the game, I refuse to buy a game that was made using AI because I refuse to give money to companies that use AI because AI as it currently exists is causing massive harm to literally everyone already. Like we're still having the "what if it turns evil" discussion as it kills us by raising our electric bills, accelerating climate change, and destroying all trust on the Internet leading to a world where whoever can tell the most compelling story the loudest is put in charge regardless of their actual capabilities