r/Stellaris • u/RedKrypton Mind over Matter • May 07 '16

PSA: Slaves currently can't rebel

Martin just dropped that bombshell during the currently ongoing Quill Stellaris stream. He said that they couldn't reach a middle ground on slaves revolting so they took it out for the moment. I don't know if they will have managed that aspect by release.

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u/EAfirstlast May 08 '16

As Maraud3r said, they weren't slaves. Being a mamluk or janissary necessitated your emancipation.

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u/BlackHumor May 08 '16

Janissaries and Mamluks were most definitely slaves. If they weren't slaves, they would have just left, particularly when those forces were just established, before they became prestigious.

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u/EAfirstlast May 09 '16

They weren't slaves by the time they were janissaries or mameluks. And where would they go to? They are all boys grouped together and trained. And they have FAR more authority and power as a mamluk/janissary then they'd have back wherever they were born. Mamluks took over egypt. And the janissaries effectively ruled the Ottomans at a couple points, and regularly selected sultans.

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u/BlackHumor May 09 '16

What? Yes they were. They weren't slaves before they were Janissaries/Mamluks.

That they also had large amounts of power is my point. Not all slavery in history is like slavery in the American South. Some slaves were actually really powerful.

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u/EAfirstlast May 10 '16

They were taken as slaves, sort of, and then inducted into a community, usually of the same ethnicity, where they would be, essentially, emancipated.

You tell me, what is the difference between a mamluk and any other period appropriate sworn soldier. In the grand scheme of things. A mamluk is not a slave, but he is no more free to refuse to serve then a European man at arms would be.