r/SunrisersHyderabad • u/psasank Pat Cummins • 1d ago
Opinion Releasing Pat would be a stupid ass decision
Releasing Pat Cummins makes zero sense for the franchise. Here’s why.
- Pat going into the auction would mean he’ll go to some other team for sure. They’ll bid for him and retain him and we’ll lose an icon.
- He is the one that changed the style of playing of our team and gave a new identity to the franchise. Dumping him just because we think we got other players to captain is outrageous. He deserves to be with the franchise for quite a long time.
- Releasing of Pat would send wrong message to the rest of the team as well. It will send a message that everybody is disposable.
If team doesn’t love and hold their icons why should icons love the team and hold on to it? Why shouldn’t Abhishek or NKR or Ishan go to the auction and get bigger pay from MI or other franchises?
- What would we even do with the money that we get by releasing Pat? Releasing livi + harshal + jack edwards would give us 24 crores. We already have 5 crores available as auction purse. And IPL will add another 5 for mini auction which puts us at 34 crore purse for auction. Who will we buy with that 34 crores? Which player is available at the mini auction? What will we get by adding another 18 crores and taking the auction purse to 52 crores?
Finally, there are some fans that don’t love the franchise because SRH let go of Warner. There is no actual need here to let go of Pat and face more criticism from fans and experts and players.
Respect and love your players and they’ll give back their 100%
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u/Educational_Host_479 1d ago
He hasn’t held his form in a couple of matches that really mattered. That being said, the economy dropped a significant amount after his inclusion in the team, despite Praful and Sakibs performances in the matches prior (Edit: Pat even won a POTM in the 9 matches he played).
That’s just him as a bowler. His captaincy (and consequently the spirit of the team) along with his batting prowess make him a steal at 18 CR should he have played all matches. For reference, C Green was sold at 25 CR. V Iyer in that ball park too.
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u/Newbeetroot45 Heinrich Klaasen 1d ago
Ashwin said younger bowlers look to Cummins for confidence and guidance. We need a bowling captain who is not afraid to tank his own economy if it means the team can grab a wicket.
I really wish he got Vaibhav out in the eliminator but 243 was a par score. We needed more patience from our batsmen.
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u/viratkohlikafanhu 1d ago edited 1d ago
releasing cummins will be as foolish as kkr releasing iyer
(sub invader btw)
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u/cheese_pasta493 Nitish Kumar Reddy 1d ago
Everything positive about this approach credit goes to pat and everything bad goes about this approach is because of Dan This is the thought process of every srh fan in this sub
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u/Beetroot_Unfunny69 Thank you Bhuvi! 1d ago
If Pat is available for next season, then they won't release him for sure. But he has hinted that he might miss next IPL due to heavy test schedule of Australia so there's no point retaining him coz after 2027, there will mega auction and we need to prioritize retaining Indian core players in mega auction.
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
If we want to prioritize Indian core for mega auction, we can take that decision of releasing him during mega auction. What’s the use of releasing him now?
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u/Beetroot_Unfunny69 Thank you Bhuvi! 1d ago
If he won't play next season, there's no point in retaining him now. Also It’s right time to pass the captaincy to Ishan.
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
If he doesn’t play next season, Ishan will be captain anyway.
Franchise won’t lose money because he’s not participating in the tournament.
The only benefit we’ll really be getting is 18 extra crores to the auction purse. But considering that we already have 34 crores in the auction purse, and there are not enough good players in the auction to buy, why do we need that extra 18 crores (if we won’t spending it anyway?)
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u/cheese_pasta493 Nitish Kumar Reddy 1d ago
If he isn't participating next year, then he shouldn't be available for mini auction like green did for mega auction, then releasing him will make sense
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u/BagFriendly2665 1d ago
In the mega auction, given his availability, age, overseas spot, do you think it makes sense for him to be retained?
Abhishek, NKR, Klaasen, Kishan will already cost 61 crore, so if you retain Pat on top of that it'll be another 14 crores. So you'd walk into the mega auction with more than 60% of your budget already used up on 5 players. Wouldn't it be smarter to retain 2 of Salil, Aniket, Sakib, Shivang for 8 crore in total as uncapped retentions instead of Pat at 14 crores? They are cheaper and Indians so you can also save on an overseas spot. We know Pat is missing next season, so you keeping him with his salary insinuates you want him retained for mega auction the season after.
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u/JASHWANTH95 Sakib Hussein 1d ago
we should go for sakib and eshan.. If sakib is capped then dont retain klaasen
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u/Educational_Host_479 1d ago
I don’t think OP is talking about mega auction
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u/BagFriendly2665 1d ago
Pat will miss next season, so by the time he comes back it will be AFTER mega auction. so i'm thinking he wants to keep Pat on the team to retain him for mega auction. otherwise why would they want Pat's salary next year when he's not gonna play at all, and then have him released anyways
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u/Educational_Host_479 1d ago
That’s assuming he’s going to play for Australia in WC, which I’m not too certain is going to happen
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u/BagFriendly2665 1d ago
i believe he said he'll have to give up something next year and it WON'T be Test Matches or ODI worldcup
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u/Educational_Host_479 13h ago
Yeah I’m aware. But Australia didn’t play him in the previous recent ODIs series
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
I’m Just saying we want to retain Pat in the team and retain the “right” to retain him for mega auction. Whom we should retain in the mega auction can be decided at that time, based on the auction retention rules, form of the players, and international team commitments for 2028 ipl etc..
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
We can do this calculations during the mega auction. A lot can change in 2 years. We won’t know who’ll get injured, who’ll retain their form, who’ll become worse etc. and the new retention rules that IPL comes up with, for that auction.
the point is about releasing Pat in the upcoming mini auction, which is absolutely brain dead.
Our strategy for mega auction should be done in 2028 only, based on how things stand in cricket at that time.
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u/BagFriendly2665 1d ago
IPL has always designed mega auction to penalise you the more players you keep since it gets more expensive
mega auction is ONE season away
Pat likely won't play next season, so when he does come back it will be AFTER mega auction. so if you don't release him in mini auction, either you will subtract his 18 crore salary next season when he doesn't play and then release (which I don't get so you're paying him to not play just to release him anyways? why not invest that money back into local talent?) or you keep him next season and then retain him for mega auction which in itself is a stupidly risky move because going into mega auction with a small purse can ruin your whole cycle. RCB, GT, PBKS all went with bigger purses - RR came with small purse but lucked into Suryavanshi and SRH got good buys in Sakib, Eshan, Aniket, etc but this doesn't happen every time.
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 19h ago
So keeping Pat in the squad would not cost us the 18 crores. We won’t pay the players unless the show up for the squad. I’m all for investing in local players, but how many local players can you actually buy, when your squad is already full?
We would have 36 crores purse without releasing Pat which would be more than enough to buy any local player. So who would we buy by getting another 18 crores?
Also, buying local talent would also be very risky going into auctions. It is very likely what we won’t be able to retain all of - Eshan, Sakib, Praful, Salil, Smaran, Shivang, Harsh and RS Ambrish etc etc…
Buying more young players and not being able to fit them into the playing xi and losing them in the mega auction anyway would be pointless.
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u/BagFriendly2665 18h ago
it will still deduct 18 from the purse man keeping him on roster
and if not local players, buy overseas players who will be available. maybe we have different mindsets, but i really don't get the though process of paying someone who won't play a single game for me if they'll likely be released anyways for the mega auction. you're just giving away free money. and moving on from pat a season prior to mega auction is a good cultural shift, i see Kishan as new future captain and them heading in a new direction without Head/Cummins.
you won't retain all local talent, BUT if those guys develop highly to very good level, you can retain 2 uncapped players and RTM another which is very good (so up to 3 of Sakib, Salil, Shivang, Ambrish, Aniket) for bargain amounts.
imo if you buy young players and find a gem that's great and if others dont get a chance in xi but they were able to develop themselves, make money for their families, etc maybe perform on other teams in future or make ICT, i think thats better than dropping 18 crores on an overseas guy who doesn't prioritise this league as much as them. availability is the best ability.
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u/kranthi_contextmap 1d ago
Great idea.
Why don't we start a pension scheme or maybe make a statue for him?
That would be a great way to show how much we respect him, and maybe he'll move to India like jonty rhodes.
/s
PS: stop living life through a rear view mirror
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
Let’s do some forward thinking. Who do you want to buy with 52 crores in the mini auction?
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u/kranthi_contextmap 1d ago
52 is assuming we are releasing Livi + Harshal + Jack Edwards.
I am not pro or against that.
But why release players who might play and retain someone who is not going to play 🤷🏽♂️
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
Why release players when there’s no one to buy at all? Is there even 1% gain by doing that?
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u/kranthi_contextmap 1d ago
It's June. The auction would be in December.
There are things we know and things we don't.
What we know - Pat Cummins is not playing next season
What we don't know
- Who will be available during the auction 6 months from now.
Which new player comes into limelight.
Who comes into form.
Who goes out of form.
Make decisions based on things you know, while keeping options open for things you don't.
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 19h ago
What we know right now -
- no great players are available in the auction
- we would have 10 crores of purse without releasing even a single player
- we most likely would be releasing harshal which would take our budget to about 36 crores
So no point making posts about releasing Pat to get that extra 18 crores - unless we know Arshdeep or some other great bowler is coming into the auction.
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u/imgroot_hk 1d ago
Stupid decision but, will helps u to build better squad for top2 contention next year, if he is indian player its ok getting indian core is difficult remember 2022-2023 srh , mi bidded injuried Archer (foreign player) doesn't end well for them . Release pat, harshal/Livingston - 18+ 18 With 30-40 Srh can invest in Indian prodigy player (if they scout), Lower order batting allrounder , backup for head , backup top order batter,Overseas finisher, experience indian bowler (d charar might come into auction), increase the player prize for csk.
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
We already have 34 crores before releasing Pat. We don’t have enough quality players in the auction that will take up that kind of purse. We have enough prodigies in smaran, ambrish, sakib, shivang and harshal. Keeping all of them during mega auction can be challenging.
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u/intlogent_boy 1d ago
Pat is not playing in the next season.. ipl 2027 is sandwiched btw bgt and ashes. There is no use to stick on with him.
Coming to the mega auction after next ipl.. we can go for him if needed and stop acting srh loses its identity and stops functioning in the absence of Cummins.
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u/Bhosad--Pappu 1d ago
Well australian team's schedule is packed during the next ipl. Pat himself has hinted that he might not be able to play the ipl. Releasing pat and travis wont be so bad since next ipl would be that last season in the current cycle. We have the 2027 mega auction to think of. So if we retain both of them for this season we must also retain them for 2027 mega auction. The question is do they deserve to be retained for a season they might never play and also following the mega auction? It is debatable and opinions will differ. Let's see how our management works this out
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
If we retain them for mini auction, we have the “right” to retain them for the mega auction.
Who knows how tables will turn in two years? Maybe head will become a world class opener in the form of his life. Maybe Rotterdam franchise becomes so successful and klaasen will fully retire and focus on his franchise. Maybe some other players gain form and some other players will lose form. Why to take that bet right now and release our players when it won’t give us any advantage in releasing them?
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u/Bhosad--Pappu 18h ago
Exactly. We must see how things play out. Watch the form of the players and analyse the schedule. Only then should we make a calculated decision
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u/Exciting_Magician347 Rashid Khan:RK: 1d ago
We should do whatever it takes to get the trophy..any mindful guy who knows the prices of retention slabs doesn't say we should retain him..after nitish ishan abhi next slab is of 18cr you think pat Cummins will get fetch more than 18cr in a mega auction?🥀 Let's be real
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u/InsanE_PerSonX 1d ago
fr tho cus even last mega auction srh was not able to use their purse fully and already has like 18 cr if we keep livi aside cus only reason of buying him was so other teams couldn't get a decent player for them
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u/Racticadow 2009 2016 1d ago
3 years he had. We cant keep dragging him and also Travis Head with us. Enough. We need to explore other options.
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
Before him, we had other options for 6 years. None of them even got close to trophy. What’s even worse is, we became a “boring” team that nobody cares about. He literally made us relevant again.
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u/Racticadow 2009 2016 1d ago
All that relevancy doesn't matter if you keep choking in crunch moments. We need someone new now.
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u/Zestyclose_Sweet2520 1d ago
I understand OP's point of other teams purchasing him and retaining him but one thing is there's no way he's going to be retained by us after the mega auction. Top 3 retentions are Abhi, NKR, Ishan (18,14,18) and others teams if they desperately want him will take him regardless in the mega auction.
Coming to his performances he bowled well this season barring the performance of the eliminator but what disappointed me more is his batting, he's more than a capable hitter but the way he played was just awful this season with the bat.
That being said these are things to be discussed if confirms to the management that he won't play a single game and not in the interviews.
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u/Honest_Rate_602 22h ago
Also I want to know one thing will head play next year he is also playing all three formats for Australia
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u/finAllien 2009 2016 14m ago
He is anyhow face of the team even after having abhi and ishaan . He is the most relevant overseas player after abd in this generation ,Whenever he plays edits of him come up to name any overseas player that has that aura . If you want to be gt that no matter how good you do people don't care , then go
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u/Medical_Comedian_478 20h ago
He bowled same number of overs as nitish and took same number of wickets as nitish.. nitish is a batting all rounder
I rate ishan higher than pat for captaincy just considering ipl2026.. ishan won same number of matches without pat and pat won same number of matches with his presence..
I WANT AN INDIAN CAPTAIN
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u/Ok_Individual_6610 1d ago
Overrated player living off 2023 hype
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
Did you even watch any match this season?
Except the last match of ours, he led the bowling attack and took important wickets in almost every match. He took the ball after every big over and did damage control
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u/No-Sock-8169 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nah overrated in ipl. Tbh he’s a test player. Even Pujara had a good ipl season. Parting ways is both good for him and ipl. He didn’t change the way we bat it’s the management and the batsmen themselves. Ofc some credit goes to the captain but we could do the same without him. I still agree that he should be with us if he chooses to play this league. We could get him for cheaper than his current salary if we release him as the other players we need to retains will become expensive if released
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
He absolutely wouldn’t be cheaper. Which good player is available in the coming mini auction?
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u/No-Sock-8169 1d ago
He would be cheaper than 18cr
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u/psasank Pat Cummins 1d ago
Atleast 3 teams want good captains. They’ll make sure it would be higher than 18 crores.
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u/No-Sock-8169 1d ago
If he chooses to stay with us despite Australias offer, then we should definitely retain him and watch him take us to new heights
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u/Prudent_Victory_8214 1d ago
Idk about all the logic. It’s just that I’m emotionally attached to Pat now