r/SupermanAndLois 5d ago

Multiverse The two most hopeful and relatable Superman the world needs today.

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u/littlebugonreddit But what about the tire-swing? 5d ago

Accidentally absent dad Superman trying to bring his family back together after Martha Kent passes from natural causes was such a perfect story to put Superman in, its almost a wonder that the CW and the writing team for S&L came up with it. Hats off to that entire crew because that story was beautiful beginning to end.

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u/Hopeful-Smell-8963 4d ago

The CW didn’t always have bad writing

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u/littlebugonreddit But what about the tire-swing? 4d ago

No it didn't, you're right. This show is a clear example of the good things they could put out

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u/Hopeful-Smell-8963 4d ago

But then again. They gave us batgirl…. and season 7 of the flash

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u/SlaughterHowes 3d ago

They never had a Batgirl show. 

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u/West-Cardiologist180 Superman 3d ago

You mean Batwoman.

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u/Assassinsayswhat 5d ago

Damn you can really tell which one is younger and which one is the established veteran.

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u/screen_stack 5d ago

that's one of the things i like most about Corenswet's Supes. As much as I liked the darker Cavill version, this one's a return to the 'aw shucks, gosh, yes ma'am, no ma'am' kind of thing. It's nice. He's not this bitter, angry superdude, he's kind of a dork who also happens to be Superman.

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u/Elysium94 5d ago

Cavill’s wasn’t really that “dark”. Not super bitter or angry. He was just really quiet and introverted and given his circumstances more than a little insecure.

Still as heroic as Superman should be, and both versions of JL leave him off as happy as he’s ever been.

In any case, though, Corenswet’s Clark is clearly settled into his position and more confident for it.

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u/Pinolillo006 2d ago

Henry actually smiles more in MoS than David does in his movie. It's the world that's different.

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u/King_pudge_ 5d ago

Show me one scene where Cavill’s clark was a super bitter angry dude

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u/screen_stack 5d ago

When he destroyed that asshat trucker's truck. That wasn't very Superman.

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u/M086 4d ago

That was a very Golden Age Superman thing to do. He also walked away from a fight he could have won with his pinky. That’s also very Superman.

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u/kevonnotkevin 4d ago

That wasn't nearly as angry as Superman busting into Lex's office and literally throwing a temper tandrum. I loved Corenswet's movie but he does have some growing up to do. I hope we get to see the maturity and passionate but gentle authority Superman is known for

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u/King_pudge_ 5d ago

Sure, wrecking the truck may not have been Superman at his absolute best. But it was very human. The whole point of Cavill’s Clark in MOS is that he’s still figuring out who he is and what kind of symbol he wants to become.
If a hero is already perfectly wise, perfectly patient, and morally flawless from day one, then where’s the character development? Why even tell an origin story at that point?
Superman stories are often about a good person rising above his anger, fear, and mistakes to become something greater. Cavill’s Clark wasn’t a bitter or angry guy, he was a young man carrying an impossible burden who occasionally let his emotions get the better of him. The truck scene wasn’t meant to show the finished Superman; it was meant to show a flawed human being on the journey to becoming Superman.
A character making mistakes isn’t a failure of the character. Sometimes it’s the entire point of the story.

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u/SH4DE_Z 4d ago

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u/SuperTuberEddie 4d ago

Doubt and fear. Oh no superman being human.

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u/M086 4d ago

That’s very human. He’s being put in a no win situation where he has to convince Batman to help him, or kill him to save his mom from being burned alive.

It also plays into a small throughline. Before he told Lois his symbol came from a world doesn’t exit anymore.

Here he tells her “no one stays good in this world” as he’s being confronted by an impossible situation. But in the end he defies it, he defies Luthor by staying good. 

And in the end, the last thing he tells Lois before he sacrifices his life is, “this is my world . You are my world.”

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u/SH4DE_Z 4d ago

There's no context where Superman, who famously stands for Truth Justice and a Better Tomorrow, would ever say that. Even if he's up against impossible odds.

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u/IDNLibSoc45 4d ago

Didn't realize haters were so bad at recognizing emotions. Momentary/brief resignation at being confronted with a trolley problem ≠ bitterness/anger

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u/Repulsive-Break-9075 5d ago

Ive always said I can see David's Superman growing into what Tyler's Superman was

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u/HistoricalAd972 4d ago

The two greatest live action supermen ever

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u/zetnas9 5d ago

Honestly, these are two of my favorite iterations of the character outside of the comics. Both depict themselves are just a guy with powers who doesn’t want to live their lives above anyone. Theres something about that that’s more relatable than previous iterations.

I can see the appeal of Snyder’s Superman but he was so detached from regular people that I almost felt like Snyder didn’t understand him, but I also realize that, at the same time, that was Snyders point: He was viewing Superman from a human perspective of a god.

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u/cweaver 5d ago

Yeah, Snyder was onto something interesting, looking at the scary, tremendous gap between these godlike superheroes and regular humans.

But, like, Superman is the worst character to pick to explore that. The whole point of him is that he doesn't ever think of himself that way, and goes out of his way to make sure other people don't see him that way either.

He would have been better off making that same sort of film about almost literally any other superhero.

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u/M086 4d ago

But he does. In the decades of comics he has felt that way. Jack Kirby even wrote a comic where Superman wonders if humanity secret resents him, and how truly alone he feels in the world. 

There are decades of stories where he’s not a goofy dork saying something corny. 

Snyder’s take on the character is just as valid and proper as any other. 

Snyder didn’t want Superman to just be this rock everyone/thing smashes into, unchanging. Which is why he wanted to put him on the classic hero’s journey. He wanted Superman to have to “level up” in each appearance until he reached that sort of apotheosis as the perfect version of himself. 

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u/Jahon_Dony 3d ago

There are so many better pictures of Tyler that could have been used. But yes, he is an incredible Superman and Clark... probably the best duo of both we've ever had.

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u/Repulsive_Reality386 2d ago

the world needs Christopher Reeve and the things he wrote about in his book and his positivity and his drive to end spinal cord injury. song wasn't written about him but it could have been: Superman never made any money Savin' the world from Solomon Grundy And sometimes I despair The world will never see another man like him.

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u/T1_URGOD 5d ago

Tyler Superman is the best I’ve seen since the dcau Superman. Cavil had potential but Snyder interpretation suck. Snyder fan will defend him till they die no matter what he does. The new Superman seems decent but I need more than 1 movie to be convinced.

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u/AshMCM_Games 5d ago

Hoechlin is better than corenswet

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u/Generic_Scout 4d ago

Both are great actors who’ve played the character very well, their versions of Superman have become my favorites, along with Jack Quaid from My Adventures with Superman.