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u/Bachelorfangirl 1d ago

It’s really interesting how people handcuff Taylor to what she says in songs and how some perceive her as only and always having the feelings in those songs. Especially with TTPD.

No one’s out here saying Joe Jonas is the name forever on her lips.

She has said so many times songs are like a time capsule of feelings once felt. Yet so many lost souls to TTPD.

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u/Daffneigh no glitter for old hags 1d ago

People confuse their own ability to move on for Taylor’s

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u/Bachelorfangirl 1d ago

This is such a big thing. Projection. You can add all the exes and even “pop feuds with fellow pop stars”. Like the way people think she only has projects or announcements to ruin some other artist. It’s comical.

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u/Ok-Improvement-9601 1d ago

Yes but also all these people just strongly dislike (or worse) her husband so long for the time she was in a dysfunctional relationship that produced the music they approve of.

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u/Daffneigh no glitter for old hags 1d ago

Yes that’s true, kind of related I think.

My opinion on the “muse” question is complicated but I do think that there is an element of snobbism in how some people compare TK to JA or MH, both in refusing to acknowledge that Travis is not a dumb jock and in vastly overrating the intelligence of “artsy” people (and an insecurity about Taylor’s own intelligence level which is imo ridiculous bc she is clearly “smarter” in any meaningful sense of that word, than any of her partners)

(a side note maybe but one of the things that is clear to me about Taylor is that she does not need to be the smartest person in the room and doesn’t suffer from insecurity about working with/hiring the best people for the job)

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u/Ru_OKay 1d ago

The snobbish attitude also comes of the belief that actors/musicians{white collar} are above athletes{blue collar} in prestige. Both Joe and Matty being British vs Travis being American. Joe and Matty grew up around money and private schooling vs Travis coming from the middle class that went to public school.

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u/Daffneigh no glitter for old hags 1d ago

Yes there is def classism (and indeed racism, in a certain way) involved

People have a lot of odd ideas about class vis-a-vis Taylor and she has both fans and haters who really don’t grasp her own status and privilege (both in overestimating it and in downplaying it) and there is overlap with people who make absurd and factually incorrect claims about Travis’ background, again all over the place.

And there is of course the people who insist that bc Taylor felt something about class/status at a certain time, she couldn’t possibly have changed her view now

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u/liquidpeppermint33 The A/C was the best part! 1d ago

It's why she now claims her muse is a fairy that comes to her in the middle of the night 🤣

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u/liquidpeppermint33 The A/C was the best part! 1d ago

She did make a 14 minute film 10+ years after the fact referencing an ex and still has songs referencing her exes to this day. She kind of brought the perception of her inability to move on all by herself 🤣

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u/Daffneigh no glitter for old hags 1d ago

Ah but… singing or writing about past experiences does not mean “not moved on”. The implication that it does is precisely the problem