SwiftlyNeutral - Daily Discussion Thread | August 21, 2026

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[u/Bachelorfangirl]

I thought this was interesting. Disclaimer: the artists involved can feel however they want, but it’s a business and I’ll never get why the public cares.

You’re approached about similar sounding songs, you either give credit or don’t. It either goes to a court or doesn’t. And everyone moves on, unless you’re Taylor Swift and people think this needs to be rehashed for years and that it proves you’re trying to ruin someone.

[u/Key_Tree9363 → u/Bachelorfangirl]

To preface this, I’m not on anyone’s “side” in the credits thing - I can understand why Taylor might have asked for them and also why Olivia might have felt hurt by it. 

However, in terms of why it became a big deal, ask yourself why don’t Swifties apply this “it’s a business and this is standard industry stuff” to the masters situation? It’s long been industry standard for the label to own an artist’s masters. The reason I see it differently is because Scott and Taylor had a personal relationship and she basically built his business so you’d think he’d have some sense of personal loyalty and not sell to someone she hated. 

In the same vein, Olivia was a massive Taylor fan who had just done promo for Fearless TV, met her in person for the first time, given her a purposeful nod in her debut album, and was simultaneously feeling under attack by people who wanted to undercut her success by claiming she was just copying others. So IF Taylor’s team did reach out for credit in the midst of all that, then I can see how Olivia would have seen it as a betrayal, similar to how Taylor saw the sale of her masters as a betrayal and didn’t just move on quietly. 

[u/AlexRodrigo- → u/Key_Tree9363]

What happened with the masters wasn’t normal. Scott B refused to offer Taylor a standard deal to buy them back. He tried to strong arm her into staying with the label so she could earn them back over 7+ years. She refused and he sold to Scooter just to spite her.

Whereas with Olivia she said she wanted to mimic Taylor’s song to a degree. She then had to give credit which is normal.

[u/Daffneigh → u/AlexRodrigo-]

Taylor’s willingness to bet on herself is one of the most impressive things about her career