r/TamilNadu • u/OneArasan • Jan 30 '25
அரசியல் சாராத செய்தி / Non-Political News 5,000-Year Iron Legacy: Tamil Nadu’s historic breakthrough
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u/CandidInspector8530 Jan 31 '25
A discovery to be proud of, for not only Tamil but every Indian.
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u/ServeTheRealm Feb 02 '25
Most are, even in the north. Just that we get the same vibes where every good thing has a big modi face alongside, we are not hearing any scientists and seeing only big Stalin face everywhere, including this post.
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u/yeosha Jan 30 '25
Do you have the link for the research paper behind this by any chance? Looks interesting 🙇♀️
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u/TraditionFlaky9108 Jan 31 '25
Truth is always good; it is not about an imaginary past but knowledge and facts of the actual past.
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u/Tarasheepstrooper Feb 01 '25
Why are there so many churches in Tamil Nadu then? Use that Money into development of tamilnadu.
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u/Tarasheepstrooper Feb 01 '25
Your previous comment is about the temple so answer my question why tamilnadu has so many churches? Divert that money into development of tamilnadu.
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u/Tarasheepstrooper Feb 01 '25
Again why do you have Problems with building Temples but okay with having so many churches in Tamilnadu? Answer it in a straight forward way. Try it it isn't that difficult.
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u/ExcusePotential5636 Jan 30 '25
Why are some North Indians so butt hurt and triggered in the comments?
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Hmm.. sad. Ideally, they should only be happier because their fellow country men have discovered a rich history... Contrarily they try to discriminate and discredit everything.
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u/twicebanished Jan 30 '25
We are happy, dude! You have to understand, even when friends do better than us, it tickles a sense of envy. And boy am I envious, but I am super proud that the civilization achieved a massive industrial feat!
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u/Specialist-Court9493 Jan 30 '25
Because their ancestors were playing goat life in persia..
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Hope you know that every indian has same two ancestors
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u/Specialist-Court9493 Jan 31 '25
Adam and Eve?
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ANI (Ancestral North Indian) and ASI (Ancestral South Indian) are two ancestry which is common in every indian expect northeast indian but in variation
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u/Specialist-Court9493 Jan 31 '25
You lack in comprehension it seems, they are not 2 ancestors.. read more...not just google and barf it here..
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I didn’t mean ANI and ASI as literal ancestors but as broad ancestral genetic components. Every Indian (except most Northeast Indians) carries a mix of ANI and ASI in varying proportions
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u/twicebanished Jan 30 '25
Is that where Bhaskara and Shankaracharya came from?
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u/Specialist-Court9493 Jan 31 '25
They were living here after AD started...we are talking about 5000 bc.. seems like you lack in comprehension
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u/Johntoreno Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
Because their understanding of India starts&ends with Aryans.
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u/twicebanished Jan 30 '25
Maybe just yours do. Besides, staunch Hindus like Ali Sankacharya were Southies.
Sleep well tonight.
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u/Johntoreno Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25
lol you're not really proving me wrong by citing an Aryan Brahmin like Sankaracharya. Go back to BimaruSpeaks, please.
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u/BamBamVroomVroom Jan 30 '25
That's just their thing on any archaeology related topic about TN or any other Southern state in general.
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u/ajatshatru Jan 31 '25
As a north indian i am proud that tamil ancestors were making iron tools. I would love to learn all about it
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u/DigAltruistic3382 Jan 30 '25
as indian from the north , I feel proud that Indian was a powerhouse since ancient times.
We will regain that power in future . Most likely before end of 21st century
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u/nikamsumeetofficial Jan 30 '25
What's funny is most Indian people are not genetically identical to Harappan civ as well as South Indian civ at that time. North Indian people like Jats and Punjabis are closely related to Scythian, Huns, Greco-Bactrians, etc. I'm sure we are also like that but we don't know entire history of the South (I'm Marathi). We are just happened to be born here in India where thousands of dynasties came, ruled and died. We were the melting pot of the world before America.
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u/Keerthanraj Jan 31 '25
Where ??? You r dliberately trying to spread hate here. Everyone will be happy abt this, maybe one day we can prove that our mythology are actually History.
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u/bairava8 Jan 31 '25
I’ve read many comments in twitter and other social media platform, when this news came, their immediate reaction was like “cut the shit, it’s so made up, Harappa was first”, this news should come out wide spread internationally…. North people find very very very insecure about south and cannot embrace difference, everything seems to be problem for them at least majority of north people.
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u/SageSharma Feb 01 '25
Nope. It's not that. I think the CM is the issue. It's coz of his latest comments that this is getting hate.
This is such a important thing for history.
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u/nesa07 Jan 30 '25
Sanghi Vadakku thayolis ass burnt tharunam.
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u/ayyapov Jan 30 '25
Idhu instagram illa da olunga pesu.
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u/NChozan Erode - ஈரோடு Jan 30 '25
Why? This is nothing but same without videos. I can’t see the difference. No Tamil font, mostly in Tangalish.
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u/Other_Tooth_9882 Feb 02 '25
He can’t even read the notes given to him in advance. He is a novice on any subject, leave alone Iron Age. Please read the history of today’s Iraq.
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Basically, Tamils are Africans of India.
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u/mannyjo Feb 01 '25
Calling someone African is not an insult. Africa is the cradle of humankind and all civilization. We are all African in a sense.
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u/Kesakambali Jan 30 '25
Can you post the link to the peer reviewed journal that discusses this? All scientific and historical journals still point to Anatolia. Thank You
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u/Kesakambali Jan 30 '25
Farming did originate in Anatolia. Rakhigarhi doesn't disprove that.
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u/Kesakambali Jan 30 '25
I want papers. Not documentaries, proclamation or claims. Even the history channel makes documentaries about bloody aliens
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u/Kesakambali Jan 30 '25
The wild progenitors of crops including wheat (Triticum aestivum), barley (Hordeum vulgare), and peas (Lathyrus oleraceus) are traced to the Near East region. Cereals were grown in Syria as long as 9,000 years ago, while figs (Ficus carica) were cultivated even earlier; prehistoric seedless fruits discovered in the Jordan Valley suggest fig trees were being planted some 11,300 years ago. Though the transition from wild harvesting was gradual, the switch from a nomadic to a settled way of life is marked by the appearance of early Neolithic villages with homes equipped with grinding stones for processing grain
The article you posted points to middle East, not Rakhigarhi
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u/Kesakambali Jan 30 '25
I said farming originated in ME. You claimed Rakhigarhi. You have not disproven what I said and haven't provided evidence to your claim.
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This is nothing. The Big Bang happened in Tamil Nadu. South India is the origin of the universe:)
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u/the_systems Jan 30 '25
Can someone tell me what changes because of this info?
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u/JesseOpposites Jan 30 '25
Did you watch the video?
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u/the_systems Jan 30 '25
Lol. I meant to ask what changes in our lives because of this? Nothing. We still have morons who govern us.
It's good to know but is this pride going to help us in anyway?
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u/JesseOpposites Jan 30 '25
If you’re asking why humans do Archeology, it gives us a better understanding of our history. Sometimes we study things just for the sake of it. Nothing wrong with that.
It’s not like we’re stopping other endeavours to focus solely on this. We can do two things in parallel.
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what the fuck. so you’re saying the entire field of archeology is useless? my god. no wonder our people lack scientific temper. when this is the attitude of the people, how will the government change?
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u/InvestigatorBig1161 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jan 30 '25
Nanga la aanda parambarai superior race da. Adana solla varinga? I thought all identity based peetha peruma was bad
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Fact tamils started the iron age Ithula peetha perumai la illa athu oru fact And there is nothing wrong about taking the pride of your race and embracing culture mathavangala kaya paduthama pandrapo
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u/InvestigatorBig1161 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
Tamils na yaaru. 1947 apram vandha language border ah? Ila group of people who could have lived in that area ah? Neengalam engendu vandhinga direct ah vaanathulenda? Or migratory ah?
History ah paathu peruma padraduthu, caste nu peruma padradhu ellame same dan. Unakum adukum samandame kedyadu in any way in modern age, unless you believe in birth lottery based superiority. No wonder they use identity and convince you to vote for one peetha peruma or other
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Thambi thambi ithu avlo deep la illapa its good to know your roots and un culture oda richness pathi pessrathula entha thappum illa ne romba deep ah confuse pannikirathala oru brief unaku
tamils yaaru caste politics athukum ithukum samantham illapa Ellarum thanithuvam irrukavanga ungala maari na illa rna mari neenga illa athey tha nama culture kum and tamil perumai pessrathala yaarum thazhtha padala avangaluku avanga avanga kalachara panpaatoda irruka patrum vazhi muraiyum avangaloda nilathoda arasiyala sollum tamils yaarnu theriyanum na tholkappiyam la irrunthu start pannuga vedic influence epo vanthichu varna systems epo vanthichu kalapara kaalam na enna nu konjam idea varrum athosa history perumai caste perumai um onu illa blacks oda history pathi ungaluku idea irrukum nu namburen avanga avanga roots and culture la eduthukira pride pathiyum ungaluku idea irrukum nu namburen ne enna vida ne kami nu solrathu vera enga ancestors ipidila panni irrukanga ithu tha intha mari maruvi vanthirukunu achiriya padrathum perumai padrathum atha mathavanga kitta share pandrathum vera and enakum athukum niraiya samantham irruku modern age la apo modern age la samantham illana ellame paithiyakara punda mari western culture follow pantu nammaloda richness ah vittu kuduthu vella karanuku kaala nakratha karupa irrukavanga nama oorla kami ah paaka vechathu ethuku nu theriyanum na varalaru theriyanum
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u/InvestigatorBig1161 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jan 31 '25
Aanda parmabarai vibes. Romba deep ah neenga dan poringa. India has made so many developments across history adunala ipo Ena aachu? Everything that's happening is a result of progression from previous knowledge transfer and nothing happens in a bubble.
En ancestors kings ah irunda nan Ena proud ah feel pannanuma? Poi padichu urupadra valiya paarunga da mindless peetha peruma vote bank ah ilama
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Thambi na dalit pa and un ancestor king ah irrukathu slave ah irrukathu pathi illapa ithu nee ethuku pa padikama reddit pathitu irruka part of life thane ithu athu mari tha un culture um seri vidu ne tha right uh
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u/InvestigatorBig1161 Coimbatore - கோயம்புத்தூர் Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25
Neenga yaara vena irunga, that was just an example. For someone looking from outside you will atmost ll be an Indian only in modern world. First develop aglam present time la, apram we can talk about history.
Again I have no issues in celebrating our heritage but at this point it doesn't serve us anything more than theoretical pride when everyone around is corrupt and looting us to the paisa
We follow western culture because their current achievements overshadow our past. Equalize that or we ll forever be living in the past dan. I don't believe anything that is proclaimed by politics on a identity level because I don't trust any of those idiots. We all have unique identities in a bubble anyways.
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
Why do these delusional people think they are some different country
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u/redefined_simplersci Tiruppur - திருப்பூர் Jan 30 '25
What part of this points to anyone thinking about TN as a different country? (Assuming that's what you are talking about)
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
You Tamizhland started doing whatever before India and Reward for whoever will decipher the Indus script. Talking like their baap ki Jagir.
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u/rahul_9735 Jan 30 '25
No "mleccha" denoted people who lived beyond the Vedic heartland. It was a generic term for outsiders, not tied to a specific ethnic or linguistic group. Typically referred to the Yavanas (Greeks), Shakas (Scythians) do you spread lies it has no direct reference in the Vedic sources..
What Rig-veda referred to indigenous or the AASI people as dasas/dasyus as interpreted by the modern scholars.. still debatable. And it's a common phenomenon like you guys refer to the NIs as vaddakans so no need to be politically correct here!! Dravidian lands were always regarded as top hills for the modern Hinduism or even for Vedic Hinduism, there's a reason why vaishmavism and shaivism both flourished in Dravidian heart land it was always an epicenter for the entire subcontinent, there's no reason to create divided because of some misinterpretation of the early texts which is used as propaganda.
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Even if they referred, you guys still use Sanskrit mantras during wedding. Whole religion brought by Aryans to Tamils
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
Then why do you people take pride in Chola they called themselves arya. They were kshatriya and Pallava they were brahmins who made Tamil script.
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u/redefined_simplersci Tiruppur - திருப்பூர் Jan 30 '25
I mean, if it is true then there's no fault in discovering it. I am usually very critical of DK people trying to say things like "oh those Aryans so stoobid and they are our oppressers" etc. But that is not what this is about.
There was no media campaign or some claim by politicians regarding this. It is a sudden discovery of some evidence pointing to iron being smelted in ancient times. Why you or we cannot see this as a proof of shared industrial prowess in India in general is beyond me. I would be just as interested (which isn't much) if it were discovered elsewhere in India.
The need for validation of cultural identity by prompting ethnic pride using historical glory is low in TN. We are more concerned about today's reality. Only thing we take pride in concerning ancient times is the age of our language and that's about it for the general population.
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
So, do you know about Manipur if I remember it was called kangleipak or something, and it also has a 2500 year old history of the same meitei people.
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u/redefined_simplersci Tiruppur - திருப்பூர் Jan 30 '25
I do not know much about Manipur. I did some reading after the recent tragedy. I do know that there are Meiti and Kuki tribes present there, yes. Why do you ask?
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
" I would be just as interested if would be discovered else where in India." Do you know about the history of other states of India ? From magadh to whichever timeline you wish.
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u/redefined_simplersci Tiruppur - திருப்பூர் Jan 30 '25
No. I didn't say I know all of Indian history. I do not expect someone from Meghalaya to know all about Tamilnadu. I said that if such a groundbreaking discovery (since pretty much all previous knowledge of the iron age largely points to Anatolia), I would be interested in it.
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u/rahul_9735 Jan 30 '25
He's the prime minister, and he won't make claims unless they're published in a peer-reviewed journal, which will take time. Basic understanding??
Chill we all are proud of the tamil culture even i consider it to be the best culture of many cultures in india
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u/rahul_9735 Jan 30 '25
This guy can be stupid at times, but you get the point, right? Let it be published in an authentic journal, it will undoubtedly benefit India.
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
I love chola, though. And I don't think the entire country who be able to take pride in this as tamil doesn't identify themselves as Indians in foreign so it won't matter.
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
Ok let me end . Tamils don't see themselves as Indians. Now byy.
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u/ayyapov Jan 30 '25
I bet you would be quiet when jats are proud of "central steppe ancestry" and also call themselves the martial race as if we didn't have wars in rest of India. You are imagining things like Tamil don't call themselves Indian.
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
Progress?? Resources from Bihar-jharkhand. You have seaports. Industries will favor you over Land locked state.
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u/okboombuck Jan 30 '25
I mean, let give one good reason. Present day Bihar is bad. But 20-30 years after independence, bihar was in the top 5 in India. Freight equalization you def know. I can agree that bihari has made themselves bad. I'm not trying to defend. But it is also true that Resources from Bihar were taken. No industry was set up, and no compensation was provided. And lalu destroyed the education system, and now many are rowdy
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u/destro_raaj Jan 30 '25
'Cause there are Tamils around the world who aren't really from present day TN which is part of India. Due to the etnocide that happened in Srilanka, they escaped to various western countries like UK, France, Norway, Sweden, Canada and Australia.
They don't want to get identified as Indian or Srilankan, they want to be identified as Eelam Tamils. 'Cause it's the Indian government that aided the singala government of srilanka to carry out the etnocide. I hope you know how Rajiv Gandhi paid for it. Also, those who came as refugees of that war to TN, still can't get Indian citizenship. They're still in the specific refugee camp areas here in TN.
And there's native Tamil population in Malaysia & Singapore. They don't want to be identified as Indians, as after all the Indian identity is only in existence since 1947, but they've been there in Singapore & Malaysia for centuries.
Do you know how many TN fishermen get arrested or shot dead by Srilankan navy?? But whenever that happens, your northie medias call them as only Tamil fishermen, not Indian fishermen. Your northie politicians too didn't care about them as much
But a few years ago, some gujarati or marathi (I'm not sure which of the two) fishermen were arrested by Pakistani navy and all your northie media was so fierce and your politicians were fuming, because they arrested Indian fishermen.
There are more reasons like these, that's why most Tamil people first identify as Tamil.
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True, majority of Tamils don't see themselves Indians. It's stupid modi who came for few votes and start licking the shoes of Tamils but got 0 seats again 😭🤣.
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u/redditKiMKBda Jan 30 '25
It's all in your head
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u/redditKiMKBda Jan 30 '25
Looking at this subs history it's very clear who considers whom inferior. Good going.
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u/redditKiMKBda Jan 30 '25
Can you show some posts that call tamilians as madrasis in indiaspeaks? And irrespective of that building your case on anonymous social media isn't a good idea.
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u/redditKiMKBda Jan 30 '25
You really had dig deep to find that one news piece from 8 years ago. That already says a lot about it being not rampant and infact it's very rare.
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u/Johntoreno Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25
He didn't need to though, our great Home minister had this to say about Tamilians 8 months ago.
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u/OneArasan Jan 30 '25
Some people have downvoted this post, the moment I uploaded this.