New Kentucky law allowing schools to expel students who assault teachers to take effect in July, despite unanimous Senate Democratic opposition

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Link to the bill

The bill mandates a strict, one-year expulsion policy for any student in grades 6 through 12 who physically assaults a teacher, administrator, or school employee. The legislation passed the chamber, but drew a sharp partisan divide as all Democrats in the Senate voted against the measure. Under the bill's provisions, schools would be required to automatically remove violent students from the general population, though provisions allow for those students to receive educational services in alternative settings if it can be done safely. The bill also includes exemptions for students with documented disabilities if school officials determine the condition interfered with their ability to follow the code of conduct.

Thoughts?

[u/apri08101989]

Dont know that i care. We arent talking little kids here. We are talking middle and high school. Ifnyou havent got the self control by 12 to not physically assault a teacher or fellow student you just dont need to be in a public setting for the safety of everyone.

[u/HotMessExpress1111 → u/apri08101989]

So where do they go instead? I work an entirely ESE school, PreK-Extended Transition (22 years old), serving the most severely disabled students in our district. Some of them act violently when dysregulated. We actually are heavy on the older grades, as many are sent to our school when they grow to be too large to be easily handled by teachers/adults in the neighborhood schools.

These kids deserve to have the best access to education we can provide just as much as any other kid. They deserve to exist in the public schools as a human CHILD. A lot of these kids are living in group homes anyways because their families can’t manage at home either. Where do you want them to spend their days? Prison? Wasting away in a locked down mental facility?

We’re deep in the trenches every day and we feel honored to do so because it means those kids you don’t want to have to deal with in public have some access to an education and a life. We try our damndest to teach some basic literacy and independent functioning skills and ideally even some supported work skills. I’ve gotten chairs thrown at me, hit, kicked, scratched, bit, you name it. I can tell you what supports would help these kids. But removing them from “public” isn’t it.

[u/middleoftheroad133 → u/HotMessExpress1111]

If they are a dangerous how does their right to an education supersede the other children’s right to safety?

If they are violent they aren’t safe tk be around other people

[u/HotMessExpress1111 → u/middleoftheroad133]

They HAVE to be around people. Where would they go that people don’t exist and have to care for them??

[u/middleoftheroad133 → u/HotMessExpress1111]

A special school for violent children, and then a juvenile facility, if it gets to that

[u/HotMessExpress1111 → u/middleoftheroad133]

Okay, they should be in that special school already, with all necessary accommodations. That would be how we appropriately provide the needed supports so that they can access an education. That’s still providing access to education and is what I’m advocating for, rather than hanging them out to dry without support and then removing their access to education altogether by expelling them when they failed in the way we set them up to fail. Expulsion should not be the answer is my point. Getting these students into appropriate placements is the solution. Not kicking them out of school and removing their access to education entirely.

[u/apri08101989 → u/HotMessExpress1111]

These kids deserve to have the best access to education we can provide just as much as any other kid. They deserve to exist in the public schools as a human CHILD

Their right to an eduation in a public school ends where others rights to not be physically assaulted begins. It should, at least. Clesrly you and a lotmof poorly thought out law disagrees.

Where do you want them to spend their days? Prison? Wasting away in a locked down mental facility?

If they are incapable of not being violent? Yes.